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2006-07-16 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-16 07:59|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I hear Newt frame his argument on concepts like "incumbentitis" and "how weirdly San Francisco these guys are voting" and Democrats will "collapse in defeat."
The Demo spokesman frames it on "tough and smart" strategy and "tough and dumb" conduct of the war...
Once again never offering any back as to why the demo path would be "smart" and why actions to date have been dumb.
Why do the dems never fail to prevent an "history channel" watching independent thinker come to their own conclusion?
Offer up a few ideas to counter, will you fella's?

Posted by Capsu78 2006-07-16 08:54|| 2006-07-16 08:54|| Front Page Top

#2 I fear that Newt is entering the Pat Buchanan zone.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-07-16 09:25|| 2006-07-16 09:25|| Front Page Top

#3 How so, 'moose?

Posted by lotp 2006-07-16 09:30|| 2006-07-16 09:30|| Front Page Top

#4 Democrats believe we need a ~~"tough and smart"~~ "Cut and Run" strategy that makes 2006 a year

There. Fixed that for you.

The democrats have placed them in a position that in order for them to win anything america has the lose the WOT - and lose big. The more dead americans the better for the DNC.

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-07-16 09:55|| 2006-07-16 09:55|| Front Page Top

#5 Just saw Newt and Joe Biden on Meet the Press. Newt would have started a war on the Korean peninsula, while Biden would have the NKors playing the South against us forever (the usual '1 on 1' idea). Newt interrupted ("Surely my friend doesn't mean") when Russert -- color me shocked, not surprised -- pressed Biden on his apparent willingness to guarantee regime survival in return for nuclear dismantlement. Biden and Newt agreed that current Admin policy in the Mideast was a failure due to lack of planning. Hey, guys, this IS the plan. I would be very surprised if either one of these guys is allowed anywhere near the U.S. toybox, much less given the keys.

Posted by Perfesser 2006-07-16 10:00|| 2006-07-16 10:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Ah, yes - IO do tend to agree that the 'plan' was to give the Palestinians and their allies rope which they could either use as a lifeline or hang themselves with. They've taken the latter course and GWB isn't inclined to stop the results from occurring. But I wonder about the Congresscritters .....

Posted by lotp 2006-07-16 10:11|| 2006-07-16 10:11|| Front Page Top

#7 The congresscritters are busy trying to win elections. No Americans are dying, so what issue do they raise? Let's walk out on Israel or let's send American troops into this clusterf^∞&? Better to keep your mouth shut and leave them wondering than to open it and remove all doubt.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-16 10:53|| 2006-07-16 10:53|| Front Page Top

#8 lotp: Buchanan is proudly rigid-minded. It's even been said by one of his enemies that if given sodium pentathol, Pat would still say the same things. He had held the same philosophy since his post-Nixon days.

Unfortunately, the world changes. Pat is stuck in the old-fashioned American isolationism mode, and stands steadfast against any American involvement outside of the US. Historically, his viewpoint is today almost as rare as that of alcohol prohibitionists.

While Gingrich is not of the Buchanan mindset, his own zeitgeist is rapidly becoming dated. Perhaps because he is not savvy with the Internet, once he was out of the information loop, he was reliant on the minimalism of the MSM to know what is going on in the world.

He says we are now in WWIII, but if we were in WWII, we would already be past V-E Day, and be looking forward to V-J Day. We have exterminated the vast majority of the "independent" terrorists, and now only have remnants, and a few state sponsors to fight.

This does not mean the war is over, but for Bush to now declare war is a little late on the power curve. And though there is a great possibility now of our attacking Syria and Iran, and maybe even North Korea, we are on the downside of the WoT.

And even that being said, the entire WoT can be seen as an interlude during which we are jockying for power with China, which has a good chance of becoming the next great war. And despite our expenditures of wealth and destruction, our losses in the WoT, while painful, come nowhere close to those of a "real" war.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-07-16 13:34|| 2006-07-16 13:34|| Front Page Top

#9 Optimist.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-16 13:36|| 2006-07-16 13:36|| Front Page Top

#10 I think we gave the Paleos and their terrorist buds plenty of rope and they immediately "outed" themselves and their ties to Hamas and Hezbollah, which was well know but not offically acknowledged by the Paleos.
Now that everyone knows the players and understands who is in charge, I don't think the EU is inclined to do much more than tut tut the whole thing. The EU got bent over like a prison bitch by Iran and is still embarrassed by that "failure of diplomacy"(the EU admits it but the UN and our DOS won't)(DUH).
So I say everyone is sitting back watching the adults take the children to the woodshed.
Amazing, eight years ago the Paleos could have had a freaking NATION but Arafat(is he still dead?)backed away from a sweet heart deal just so he could kill a few more Isrealis. In a couple of more weeks, Syria and Egypt will be full of paleos and assorted nutjobs and Gaza and the west bank will be Isreali again (and after what they went through trying to negotiate with the Paleos, I dont think they are EVER going to be in a bargaining mood again. The paleos let their stupid leaders sell them down the river again so I think Palestine is now a dead issue never to return.)

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-16 13:36|| 2006-07-16 13:36|| Front Page Top

#11 Gingrich is looking at the 2006 and 2008 elections but also at the current tug of war between the administration and Congress pver Gitmo, intel etc.. His point, I think, is that the adminstration should rally the country openly - both enlisting Congress and challenging it to rise to the geopolitical reality and respond seriously to it.

I'm not as sanguine as you on the WOT quite yet.

Posted by lotp 2006-07-16 13:40|| 2006-07-16 13:40|| Front Page Top

#12 OH BTW, we've been in WWIII with the islamofascists since the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut.
And if 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake up call for the USA, then this Iran/PPRK joint venture with Nukes should be.
Have I mentioned that when I was in Iraq, I had a US Army Light Colonel tell me that they were killing more Iranians than Iraqis everyday and the Coalition leadership is of the mind that we have been at war with Iran since April of 2004?
I believe all hell is going to break loose in the ME and Syria and Iran are going to understand why we are the greatest military power on earth and they are the bug on the windshield.
All we have to do is start shooting at Iran and the government will fall. there will be riots in the streets and a revolution...same with Syria, we can take both of them down quickly because of the popular unrest against the governments.
SIc em George

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-16 13:44|| 2006-07-16 13:44|| Front Page Top

#13 What time period were you in Iraq, SPoD?

Posted by lotp 2006-07-16 14:00|| 2006-07-16 14:00|| Front Page Top

#14 I put the Jihadi start date as 1922 with arafish's uncle, haj amin al-husseini. He began to mobilize the paleos againt the evil Joos. It became an existential threat in 1979 with the first "Islamic Republic".

Posted by Brett 2006-07-16 14:21|| 2006-07-16 14:21|| Front Page Top

#15 I was there on "business" from January till late March 2004.Just a polite little sight seeing trip mind you.....just trying to feast at the trough with the other evil government contractors. None of the big guys wanted to give small american businesses anypart of the deal.
I kinda liked it there and really got along well with the Iraqis.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-16 16:19|| 2006-07-16 16:19|| Front Page Top

#16 Okay, ~~that suggests strongly~~ I have confirmed that you are NOT our regular Sock Puppet of Doom. Please choose another 'nym - using someone else's is highly discouraged here.

NOTE: I posted the same thing yesterday. Continued use of other people's established 'nyms will result in deleting of your comments and posts.

Posted by lotp 2006-07-16 16:35|| 2006-07-16 16:35|| Front Page Top

#17 I've never liked that "I'm Larry, this is my brother Darrell, and this is my other brother Darrell" stuff.

Posted by Darrell 2006-07-16 16:44|| 2006-07-16 16:44|| Front Page Top

#18 As ltop points out the person posting here is not Me.

I don't know what is up with this but I request that you find a new nick if you want to contributre here. I do not have a great reputation so you do yourself no favors using my handle.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-16 17:00|| 2006-07-16 17:00|| Front Page Top

#19 Yeah, I've always thought you were a jerk and anyone stealing your name must be a bigger one. Unless it's .com. Or Gentle. Or Left Angle. Try one of those.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-16 17:04|| 2006-07-16 17:04|| Front Page Top

#20 Well, there goes the Spemble Myth. Up in flames.

lotp - Check to see if that's our Spemble!

Posted by Clavimble Spomoger8840 2006-07-16 17:13|| 2006-07-16 17:13|| Front Page Top

#21 I do not have a great reputation

Dude, compared to me you've got it easy.

My suggestion is to publish each person's ip address next to their nym, with the last octet hidden. Something like this:
Posted by: Clavimble Spomoger8840 192.168.10.*

Posted by Rafael 2006-07-16 17:26|| 2006-07-16 17:26|| Front Page Top

#22 Hey! Whew! You got my 3rd octet wrong. :)

Posted by Clavimble Spomoger8840 2006-07-16 17:44|| 2006-07-16 17:44|| Front Page Top

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