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2004-07-19 Home Front: Politix
Rumsfeld drops off the radar screen
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Posted by .com 2004-07-19 01:01|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Surely he was the one leaking to the Times (of London) the other day?
Posted by someone 2004-07-19 1:06:19 AM||   2004-07-19 1:06:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The white house forced to do that. Bush is losing the voters and Rumsfeld was not help with number of scandals surfacing Iraq.
Posted by Jim 2004-07-19 1:34:39 AM||   2004-07-19 1:34:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Bullshit, Jim.
Rummy has done an outstanding job.
The WOT has been a big success, the military part of which Rumsfeld has led brilliantly, and Bush is going to win in November.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 1:39:22 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 1:39:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Jen, why is Bush going to win? I'm very concerned that the 'Glowboys' are going to get in and really don't want a US hamsrung by those jerks for the next four years. So any evidence you have that points to a Bush re-election will be very welcome to me.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-07-19 1:53:48 AM||   2004-07-19 1:53:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Worse scandals about Abu in the wings, I'm afraid. Apparently Motormouth Seymour Hersh addressed an ACLU[barf]conference last week and said the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Irony - Hersh expects shock from the ACLU, solicitors on record for NAMBLA and other pervs.
"The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking," Seymour Hersh told an ACLU convention last week.

This will not be good for Rummie. That whole Abu scandal had shades of homoeroticism - perhaps yet another legacy of Billie Jeff's "progressive" policies for the military.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 1:54:03 AM||   2004-07-19 1:54:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Seymour Hersh? Boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib?

This has shades of Fred Phelps' site -- "God Hates America".
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-07-19 2:10:21 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-07-19 2:10:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Tony, if you're basing your conclusions on who's going to win the election on what you hear in the press, they will never tell you about the broad-based support for Bush here in America.
(I tend to think that this is true of Britain and Blair, too).
Don't believe the BBC, the WaPo or the NYTimes--not only do a majority support and will support Bush in the fall, but the opposition is terrible!
Many Dems and those "independent" voters just don't like Kerry, just as Michael Howard hasn't done a good job rallying the Tories.
Tony Blair has domestic problems (like with education and the NHS) and there's his support for the EU Constitution which we're all against, but all-in-all, Tony seems to try and work with the British people somewhat.
Bush doesn't have these problems and not only has he conducted the WOT successfully, but he's dealt with a host of domestic issues, also, that give him quite a position of strength politically.
I'm hoping for a landslide Bush victory in November.
But please, don't read the Leftist press (The Guardian and the Independent)--if you must, read the Telegraph and The Sun.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 2:30:13 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 2:30:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 TUK, the electorial vote should come out in GW favor. Florida will be a close call but I think the voters who checked Bush last time will do so even greater. Texas is big too. And California just had their recall of Clinton lite, Gray Davis, so that is in play. But I don't see the red states going blue, but I see the blue states being in play, even Mass and NY. Hillary got dissed at that police/firefighter memorial. A lot of people know what went down and why.

The problem now is voter fraud. Thats why the popular vote is a fraud. Burns me up!
Posted by Lucky 2004-07-19 3:30:42 AM||   2004-07-19 3:30:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 The problem now is voter fraud.
Motor Voter law = voter fraud. The Motor Voter law should be repealed or it'll eventually make it impossible to get a Republican Prez elected.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 4:38:01 AM||   2004-07-19 4:38:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 "Rumsfeld drops off the radar screen"

WTF? Is he piloting a low-flying plane or something? Seeing if he can get through someone's radar defenses a la Mathias Rust, who landed his Cessna in Red Square in 1987?

Rumsfeld isn't in the news much because, very likely, Rumsfeld is busy working on the next phase of the war.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-07-19 9:37:12 AM||   2004-07-19 9:37:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Dave D...I would add to this: Rumsfeld is busy working on the next phase of the war. ...And at the completion of the liberation of a country one is entitled to a little quite time without the partisan media nipping at your heels.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-19 9:39:16 AM||   2004-07-19 9:39:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 1. Rummy under wraps - hell he was interviewed on NPR this AM. Not very under wraps
2. Abu graib - from what ive seen, it looks like Rummys clean. Probably Feith too, though hes more exposed, and might take the fall. Cambon (sp?) in trouble though.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-19 9:57:38 AM||   2004-07-19 9:57:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Tony, for my two cents, the election is both too close to call and (more important) too early to call. The best thing Bush has going for him in pure election terms is Kerry: the guy can't make up his mind and is so boring that a two-minute speech by him seems like two hours. I think the election is likely to be decided by (1) external events and/or (2) plain old machine politicking, i.e., who can get his supporters to the polls on election day.
Posted by Matt 2004-07-19 10:44:46 AM||   2004-07-19 10:44:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Matt, the best thing President Bush has going for him is his record, which is pretty terrific!
Likewise, the worst thing Kerry has going for him is his (Senate voting) record, too, which is pathetic.
President Bush has accomplished much in less than 4 years, both in foreign policy and domestic, too.
To say that this election--so important because who wins this war is so important and it is after 9/11--is down to "old machine politicking" represents a complete disconnect from current events.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 10:49:53 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 10:49:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 I agree w/Jen and have been saying all along that if the GOP were to focus on Kerry's liberal senatorial voting record sharply enough - that would prolly give them the firepower needed w/the American voter.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-07-19 10:53:26 AM||   2004-07-19 10:53:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Dragon Fly may have hit on it: "Rumsfeld is busy working on the next phase of the war."

What if it is NOT THE SAME WAR? I would strongly suggest that something big is in the works, and soon. What with seven aircraft carriers toodling about, and Israel announcing it is ready to attack Iran, and...???
Posted by Anonymoose 2004-07-19 10:57:16 AM||   2004-07-19 10:57:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 AM...I was quoting Dave D.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-19 11:00:06 AM||   2004-07-19 11:00:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Jen, I didn't think Howard was asking why I intended to vote for Bush. The question as I read it was who's going to win, and no matter how strong your record you still need to get your folks down to the voting booths if you want to win. Bit if Bush wins for the reasons you've identified, I'll ululate with the rest of us.
Posted by Matt 2004-07-19 11:15:13 AM||   2004-07-19 11:15:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Cheers, Matt.
One thing the Republicans are the best at--and 2004 should be no exception--is getting out the vote.
Democrats are abyssmal at this and frankly, I pity them having to get excited about getting out of the house to vote for sKerry.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 11:27:03 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 11:27:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Kerry is a terrible, terrible candidate who's already let himself be defined by Bush as, you know, flipper. My greatest fear was that they'd replace him with a real candidate -- Hillary -- but that worry seems to be past.

Bush will win; remember how the media in 2002 kept predicting big Democratic gains? Same dynamic now -- you can't beat something (Bush) with nothing, even if the nothing has a service record.
Posted by someone 2004-07-19 11:48:42 AM||   2004-07-19 11:48:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 It all comes down to numbers of warm body voters, not "records" of the incumbent vs the unknown contender.

And although Jen is right about the greater numbers Democrats, unlike Republicans, being less likely in the past to exercise their right to vote, I'm not so sure that the same will be true in this election. For one thing, there is an unprecedented visceral hate for George Bush, the person, by the left that may motivate all those sleepy head Democrat welfare recipients to get out of bed and vote this time.

While I'd agree that Kerry is a loser, he's no worse than Al Goresky was in 2000-let's be honest-AND this time round Kerry has pretty boy Edwards as his running mate. Lieberman was not an asset to Gore, but in as much as I despiese what Edwards represents, Edwards is a very attractive candidate for the Kerry ticket. Picking Edwards was one of the few helpful things Kerry did for himself.

Jen, you can be as optimistic and rah, rah as you want, but that's not going to change reality-it's a tight race and there's no certainty which man will win the WH.

Worst case scenario is that the Republicans lose both the WH and Congress. Best case scenario is the opposite. What may happen is that one party wins the WH and the other party dominates Congress.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 12:16:59 PM||   2004-07-19 12:16:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 We, Republicans, get out the vote. Period.
(Lib Dims will bitch til the cows come home about how much they hate Bush and then never register to vote.)
And I fully expect the GOP to keep a firm majority in the House and to pick up some seats in the Senate giving us a bigger majority there.
The real record the American people have is 9/11 itself.
We had 8 years of Clinton and Dimocrat policies, all of which proved to be failures.
Under President Bush, we have liberated 2 countries and 50 million people with minimal casualties on both sides, haven't had another terror attack here, passed the partial birth abortion ban, tax cuts, education bill, faith-based charity initiative and Medicare prescription drugs.
We've set up the Patriot Act and Homeland Security and we are catching and putting on trial those who've supported terrorism here and also we've frozen their funds around the world.
Al Queda was put on effective notice from 9/11 onwards that they had attacked the wrong country and would pay dearly for killing innocent Americans.
If listing our accomplishments under Bush is being "rah-rah," i guess I'm a Bushie cheerleader.
So what?
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 12:27:30 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 12:27:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Oh, and rex, you and one other guy are the only people in the country who think Edwards is such an asset for the Dim ticket--Kerry's numbers went up 1 whole point, whereas it was thought they would go up by 15.
They're calling it the 'dead cat bounce."
Americans are sick to death of trial lawyers.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 12:33:21 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 12:33:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Jen...just as an aside. The 15% bounce expectation was created by the Republicans. This was not widely believed to be the bump they would receive. Essentially we set the Democrats for an image of failure when they failed to get a 15% bounce.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-19 12:36:23 PM||   2004-07-19 12:36:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 "Rumsfeld drops off the radar screen"

Fools! That means he's engaged his cloaking device! One dares not trifle with the Master.
Posted by Mike  2004-07-19 12:37:16 PM||   2004-07-19 12:37:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 The only thing Kerry/Edwards can rely on to help them get into office is bad news. The economy is recovering; Iraq has been liberated and turned back over to the Iraqis; Afghanistan is Taliban-free and rebuilding; and there has not been another terror attack like 9/11 since 9/11. Granted, things aren't perfectly rosy, as the continuing attacks in Iraq show, but what Kerry/Edwards need is something horrendously bad.
Posted by Dar  2004-07-19 12:41:20 PM||   2004-07-19 12:41:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 I hope you are right about Edwards, but I think you are wrong. Edwards is an asset and since you claim to only read the Washington Times because of the fear that other journals may infect your fine mind,I doubt you have any basis to crowing about the Edwards choice giving Kerry a dead cat bounce. What you have to be careful about, Jen, is intellectually distancing your rah-rah everything is coming up roses with GWB naive vision from what's out there in the real world.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 12:41:49 PM||   2004-07-19 12:41:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Oh, I read everything--it's only the WashTimes and FoxNews that I believe!
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 12:44:59 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 12:44:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Tony (UK):

You might want to check out the Iowa Electronic Markets, at

http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/

and look under "political markets". The Presidential Winner-Takes-All market and the Presidential Vote Shares Market are real-money futures markets on the outcome of the race and, if what I've heard is true, they have a rather good record of predicting election outcomes.

My own view is that Bush will win, although I expect it is going to be a VERY close-run race. But that's just my opinion.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-07-19 12:47:07 PM||   2004-07-19 12:47:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 rex, if you think the Dems could take Congress I have this bridge to sell you...
Posted by someone 2004-07-19 12:47:45 PM||   2004-07-19 12:47:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Look, #30, it's a dead heat race for the Oval Office. Everyone but Jen recognizes that fact. The country is divided into a 2 party battle ground, with a small percentage of undecided, who will decide the election of the President. So why are you so confident that Congressional races will not have similar close match ups? As a poster noted in another thread, the Republicans are having troubles fielding good candidates. And voter fraud, which we know exists, will have no less an effect on Congressional races than it will have on the Presidential race. So explain to me the reasons for your confidence?
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 1:05:13 PM||   2004-07-19 1:05:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 
Worse scandals about Abu in the wings, I'm afraid. Apparently Motormouth Seymour Hersh addressed an ACLU[barf]conference last week and said the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Irony - Hersh expects shock from the ACLU, solicitors on record for NAMBLA and other pervs.


If true (with Hersh it's safe to bet it's not), then it's likely videotapes of prisoners raping other prisoners. Remember, one of the photos was of two guys being punished for raping another prisoner.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-07-19 2:28:45 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-07-19 2:28:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 rex, I refuse to let the media (or you) tell me who to vote for!
It's only their biased polls that say this race is going to be close or that Kerry is leading.
Polls don't vote.
And Americans are not going to vote against a strong, successful Presidential incumbent in the middle of a war!
And I haven't heard or read anywhere that the GOP is having problems fielding good candidates for Congress.
It's more Dimocrat disinformation!
The Abu Ghraib story was dead weeks ago and Seymour Hersh should have hung it up 30 years ago.
Why come to RB or visit the blogosphere at all if you believe everything the MSM tells you?
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 2:43:12 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 2:43:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 If true (with Hersh it's safe to bet it's not), then it's likely videotapes of prisoners raping other prisoners.

I got 20 bucks that says the videos are porn film clips, doctored and planted, presumably right in Hersh's mailbox. Any takers?
Posted by badanov  2004-07-19 2:46:51 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-07-19 2:46:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 I'm in, badanov!
(and I'll bet they excited Seymour, too!)
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 2:52:04 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 2:52:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 rex, I refuse to let the media (or you) tell me who to vote for!
What are you raving about now? Who said I was talking to you, much less trying to convince you of doing anything but to keep focused and on point?

Why come to RB or visit the blogosphere at all if you believe everything the MSM tells you?
I come to Rantburg to exchange information with fellow conservatives, with people who read widely and who expose their brains to ideas beyond what they hear by looking at their reflection in their bathroom mirror.

Oh well, yet another discussion thread ruined by shrill, empty-headed attempts at character assassination.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 2:55:01 PM||   2004-07-19 2:55:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 rex, you mentioned me by my name, which is why I assumed you were talking to me, among others.
And as you are repeating the Dimocrat talking points to be found on the cable news and virtually every online newspaper about the election, I made a general appeal that savvy RB readers see them for what they are and not swallow those talking points wholesale.
I did not engage in assassinating your character before, but now, but I will say this: you, sir, are no Conservative.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 2:59:44 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 2:59:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 you mentioned me by my name
Do you read anything in full? I mentioned your name as an aside in a sentence about the fact that most normal people recognize that this will be a close election in November. In another instance I mentioned that you were wrong about Edwards being an asset to Kerry and another poster added that the dead cat bounce analogy you used was based on a false premise of "high hopes."

I DID NOT ADDRESS YOU as in trying to persuade you to change your vote or to engage you in further dialogue. Believe me, I have zero interest in your predictable, unsupported views, Jen, sorry but I'm being honest.

I did not engage in assassinating your character before, but now, but I will say this: you, sir, are no Conservative.
LOL. That's all you do is make personal attacks on people, that's your modus operandi, to try to drive posters away by accusing them of being closet Democrats or of being racist or chauvinistic or being John Birch member. Your repartee posts are emptyheaded emotional attacks.

How's this for a fresh start, please do me the courtesy of NOT responding to my posts. And I will extend to you the same courtesy. Then we can enjoy exchanging ideas with other Rantburg posters without chancing a clash with one another.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 3:30:44 PM||   2004-07-19 3:30:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 I will be compelled to respond to your posts if they're filled with untruths, disinformation or spin from the Left side of the aisle, as they have been in the past.
It's nothing personal; I just love my country and my President and I want us to win this war.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 3:33:38 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 3:33:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 What a clever choice you made, Jen. Hey girl, you go for it. Be my guest at attacking me personally with your rants. Maybe you will be successful and drive me off Rantburg. Then you can claim victory and start again on raj and aris and mike espinosa and why not take on some new targets who show too much individualized thinking...like jarhead and Lucky... and then there's also .com who often does not toe the rah rah line so he can be problem to Jen's perfect world as well.

We'll see how long it will be before you drive every interesting poster off Rantburg and cause the number of hits for this forum to nose dive into the toilet. P.S. Claiming that you do what you do because you love your country and your President does not excuse your rude, abrasive, and distracting posting style.
Posted by rex 2004-07-19 3:57:04 PM||   2004-07-19 3:57:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 I think you are the one that is trying to attack me personally and drive me off the forum.
So that makes us even.
As for distracting ability, you wrote the book on that one. Literally.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-19 4:01:57 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-19 4:01:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Oh lets put money were the mouth is 50 bucks sez Bush wins .If Kerry wins I put 50 in tipjar for Rantburg if Bush wins you put 50 in Rex.
Posted by djohn66 2004-07-19 4:02:25 PM||   2004-07-19 4:02:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 Tony-The truth is we are all doing a crapshoot here. Who has the blueprints of the future?

Who could have predicted the news that has come out incrementally over the past 5 months in Iraq, both to Bush's favor and detriment? I think it's going to come down to what news hits and in what sequence. What if Oil-For-Food gets more "interesting"? What if there is a large-scale terrorist attack (anywhere)? What if a brand new scandal on any of the candidates comes out? When one asks what will happen, recall a line from a well-loved movie-"difficult to say-always in motion, the future".

(BTW-I wish I would stop reading gloating comments about how there hasn't been an attack in the US since 9/11-yes the admin has done an outstanding job, but as they themselves say, all you have to do is make a mistake once and jihadis have a terrorist "success".
Posted by jules 187 2004-07-19 5:58:19 PM||   2004-07-19 5:58:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 rex: gerrymandered (mostly incumbent-protecting) Congressional districts. The Texas redistricting alone essentially guarantees continued Republican control of the House.

Seriously, read up on this stuff.
Posted by someone 2004-07-19 11:11:30 PM||   2004-07-19 11:11:30 PM|| Front Page Top

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