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2017-08-17 Arabia

Extremist ideologies bane for nation states

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Posted by Fred 2017-08-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 That's the reason, IMO, that all Muslim countries are pretend nation states.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-08-17 05:39|| 2017-08-17 05:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Nation states require a dominant ethnic group, and other groups to be sufficiently small as to not threaten the dominant group.

The only exception I can think of is the Austro-Hungarian empire.

Which makes immigration into Anglophone countries particularly concerning.

Posted by phil_b 2017-08-17 05:52|| 2017-08-17 05:52|| Front Page Top

#3 India?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-08-17 05:58|| 2017-08-17 05:58|| Front Page Top

#4 india is 80% Hindu. With Moslems most of the rest. Which keeps the Hindus reasonably united despite ethnic divisions.

Posted by phil_b 2017-08-17 06:38|| 2017-08-17 06:38|| Front Page Top

#5 But what about all the castes?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-08-17 06:45|| 2017-08-17 06:45|| Front Page Top

#6 #2 Nation states require a dominant ethnic group, and other groups to be sufficiently small as to not threaten the dominant group.
In the U.S. we have non-dominant groups that hold sway, i.e. all the "victim groups." These various non-dominant victim groups are cobbled together to obtain large voting blocs to win elections--at least that is the model of the Dems in the past.

Posted by JohnQC 2017-08-17 07:35|| 2017-08-17 07:35|| Front Page Top

#7 p.s. phil_b, Hinduism is a religion not race - compare a Rajput and a Dravidian.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-08-17 07:48|| 2017-08-17 07:48|| Front Page Top

#8 Muslim countries are pretend nation states.

AKA Tribes with flags.

One of the major problems caused by WWI was the Wilsonian ideal of "Self Determination". While it sounds great in theory it tends to crash on the shoals of "what defines a self". "Self" rapidly breaks down into my tribe or even family. This is what defines most of the Middle East and Africa today.

Posted by AlanC 2017-08-17 09:20|| 2017-08-17 09:20|| Front Page Top

#9 Islam is a religion, or at least is not a race either: compare an Indonesian with a Moroccan.

Posted by Glenmore 2017-08-17 10:39|| 2017-08-17 10:39|| Front Page Top

#10 so much wrong with the cargo cult first paragraph.
A culture with High trust (lower population density and migration) and reciprocation build the wealth needed for civilisation.
Subsidised migration of tribal cultures is an attempt to destroy both.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2017-08-17 12:15|| 2017-08-17 12:15|| Front Page Top

#11 I was going to say ethno-religious group. Religion is generally under-estimated as a binding force in creating nation states.

Posted by phil_b 2017-08-17 17:20|| 2017-08-17 17:20|| Front Page Top

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