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2008-08-20 Britain

MI5 report challenges views on terrorism in Britain

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Posted by john frum 2008-08-20 16:03|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 Do they all read a Koran?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-08-20 16:21|| 2008-08-20 16:21|| Front Page Top

#2 The FBI should send over their "Nothing To Do With Terrorism" manual.

Posted by tu3031 2008-08-20 16:40|| 2008-08-20 16:40|| Front Page Top

#3 MI5 says assumptions cannot be made about suspects based on skin colour, ethnic heritage or natio current threat is from Islamist extremist groups who justify the use of violence "innality.

But... The MI5 authors stress that the most pressing defence of Islam", but that there are also violent extremists involved in non-Islamist movements.

Denial, terminal political correctness, or simply 'stuck-on-stupid' inability to connect the dots?

Posted by Besoeker 2008-08-20 20:31|| 2008-08-20 20:31|| Front Page Top

#4 In retrospect, oddly enough, I think MI5 is correct in their assessment, which magnifies the correctness of the US policy of luring extremists to situations where our soldiers can kill them. The "roach motel" theory.

That is, at the beginning of the WoT, we quickly reached the same conclusion: that there is no easy way to identify the dangerous terrorists among 1 billion Muslims.

Therefore, we had to set up the conditions for them to "self identify" and also put themselves at risk by separating themselves from those who are far less dangerous. We had to get them to leave their homeland and come to a battlefield of our choice.

The criteria we used, from least to most dangerous:

1) Desire to commit acts of violence. This is different from "extremist membership", as it is an individual characteristic. They may otherwise appear "moderate." But this group is mostly just braggarts.

2) Those who seek out a destination and information to get the knowledge to become terrorists. They want to learn how. The majority still don't have the chutzpah to act on what they have learned. Today, they are the Internet support culture.

3) A big jump. Those who actually leave their 'hood, or even their country, to seek training and membership in terrorist organizations, or to act as free lancers. These are all "kill worthy". The majority are dangerous and only a minority just want the training, then to hang out, not to act on it.

4) Those who get training then proceed to a new country where they hope to attack, not just to an adjacent country so that they can talk with those who have attacked while sitting in a coffee shop. Those that enter a foreign country with intent to attack are the most dangerous, but they are only a tiny minority of the total.

By our setting up a situation where they can attack our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, the cream of the terrorist crop self identified then got themselves killed. This is wiping out terrorism from the top down, instead of from the bottom up.

So what does this mean for England?

A serious problem. Much like what the Democrats in the US wanted to do, to treat the WoT as a "police problem", they are now stuck with a viper in the woodpile.

There only real solution is to do what the French have done: strictly limit Muslim immigration, combined with easy and rapid, no legal appeal deportation out of the EU, not just England.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-08-20 21:51|| 2008-08-20 21:51|| Front Page Top

#5 'Tis said both the cream and the scum rise to the top. Nice analysis, Anonymoose.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-08-20 22:08|| 2008-08-20 22:08|| Front Page Top

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