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2005-08-25 China-Japan-Koreas

Dragon vs. the Bear- Chinese Presence Grows in Russian Far East

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Posted by sea cruise 2005-08-25 01:14|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Article: "I live better here, it's a good life," Cui said in Russian, adding that in China it's difficult to find work with the competition and bribes necessary to get jobs.

According to my sources, paying bribes to get good jobs is apparently a pretty common thing in parts of China. This doesn't, of course, apply to the bottom-rung factory jobs (which are nonetheless better-paying than working on the family farm).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-08-25 08:31|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-08-25 08:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, depends on where you are. In Zhejiang province, it's rather difficult to find enough workers to man an assembly line. It's doable, but it just takes a month or two.

Posted by gromky">gromky 2005-08-25 08:56|| http://communistposters.com/]">[http://communistposters.com/] 2005-08-25 08:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Dragon and the Bear buddies for life? Not likely even if they can manage to hold o"rganized armed bandit formation eradication" military exercises together.

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-08-25 09:12|| 2005-08-25 09:12|| Front Page Top

#4 According to my sources, paying bribes to get good jobs is apparently a pretty common thing in parts of China. This doesn't, of course, apply to the bottom-rung factory jobs (which are nonetheless better-paying than working on the family farm).

Being a little ethnocentric here?
And how this is different from most of the world?

Posted by Elmemble Ulaitch5567 2005-08-25 10:30|| 2005-08-25 10:30|| Front Page Top

#5 So, they have a whole bunch of people coming from a poor and overcrowded county south of their border. Hmmmm. That sure sounds familiar.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-08-25 10:59|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-08-25 10:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Jeezus H. Christ, what is this, shit on Zhang Fei Day II?

Fucking assholes...

Posted by Raj 2005-08-25 11:08|| 2005-08-25 11:08|| Front Page Top

#7 NOt that the Chinese aren't hard workers and all but I'd be wary of inviting neighbors over to help develop the underdeveloped underpopulated parts of my nation.

The Russians should instead invite Indians to emigrate. The Russians should bust up the mob in Vladivsotk and create a semi-Free city on the model of Hong Kong. The Russians should apply to the Japanese to build a new trans-siberian bullet train in exchange for those frozen islands the two are always fighting about. The Russians should dump Putin, he's got no ideas and he's done enough damage.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2005-08-25 11:25|| 2005-08-25 11:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Not shitting on ZF, just pointing out that in fact bribery is the normal way of business throughout most of the world. It's more of a Anglo-Saxon type [thought there are some exceptions] perception that it is not 'normal'. Even then, it can also be found even in America. Basically, its institutionalized in requiring union dues to have a job, just ask the public school teachers who are theoritically working for the state/people.

Posted by Elmemble Ulaitch5567 2005-08-25 12:14|| 2005-08-25 12:14|| Front Page Top

#9 Great Russian dictators of the past made the same mistake cough "Stalin & friend Hitler" of course we all know how that turned out.

Putin and China going down the same street. China knows well that a war with Tiawan would draw in the US and a huge cost even if victory was achieved and a gain of not much more than national pride and sea ports. The US would still have China hemmed in by bases in Japan and I garantee if China took Tiawan the Phillipine base would be back in full swing in short order not to mention the US would have the PR on thier side after such. Make things worse such a war would play to all of China's weaknesses Navy, Air Power, a garatneed blockade that would starve the chinees dragon. On the flip side Siberia sparsley populated Massive oil reserves and mineral, oil being the major that if China wishes to be able to try the US they need a secure overland Oil source shipping it in will be a no-game with the US stongpoint in the way the Navy and Air Force. Siberia plays to the Chineese strong points, overland army fight, short supply lines for China were Russia will be stretched thin and to supply the Eastern coast will be wrought with attacks all the way by Chineese coming from thier south. The Chineese Navy and Air Force could probably match the Russian. Russia couldnt use the Nuke option because unlike the US were MAD would be one sided with China who only has a handfull of missles able to hit the US on the other side of the world Russia is close and well in range of enough Chineese Nukes to make MAD apply enough to deter a Russian move. Not to mention I would almost be willing to bet that after 08' when Putin becomes pres without term limits esentially dictator for life Russian population will be in a state of border revolution waiting to be lit, that if China hit Siberia a spasley populated area that a WW1 senerio (invasion would result in revolution and gov crumbling and choas) would be very very likely if the Russians lost big in the opening stages which again is very very likely.

Bottom line success on Tiawan is basicly dependent on secure oil transport that is not sea based were the Chineese have decades to challenge the US. Today no matter how freindly the chineese get with Putin they know that Russia will sell them out for the right price. If Siberia was won then Tiawan campain would have the odds of victory mulitiplied by a factor. If lost the Chinees would really be in the same boat as now. Japan didnt start with the big dog the US, nor did Hitler start with thier neighborhood big dogs, the first thing Empire needs is secured resources Tiawan dont offer that and Siberia offers the most with the smallest amount of risk and price compared to the possible gains. Another thought is the old Soviet Satelites that have the benefits with even less risk than Siberia and Russia maynot even be able to make a responce.

I just dont see why China would try to go East little gain and it will take them decades to even be able to challenge the US Navy which will surely be boosted sometime before the Chineese get thier to keep the US advantage. West and North will be the direction big gain plays to Chinas strong points while thier weak points stay defensive to fend off a attack. The Mongols did it.

Posted by C-Low 2005-08-25 13:34|| 2005-08-25 13:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Godd comment, EU5567, that's been my thoughts on Unions for some time. That's why I don't care for the "Closed Shop".

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-08-25 13:38|| 2005-08-25 13:38|| Front Page Top

#11 Hey Raj, I suggest you cool it. Nobody called you or ZF an asshole. Nobody on this site is untouchable, except Fred and the mods (for they hold awesome power). Take a chill pill.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-25 15:42|| 2005-08-25 15:42|| Front Page Top

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