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2018-09-20 Home Front: Culture Wars

Victor Davis Hansen - Are We on the Verge of Civil War?

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Posted by Besoeker 2018-09-20 00:10|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 Yes, next question.

The progressives declared war on America years ago, and regular Americans are just now waking up to the fact that those people will destroy the culture in order to obtain power.

Posted by Injun Bucket8891 2018-09-20 00:57|| 2018-09-20 00:57|| Front Page Top

#2 We're there already, it's just that so far only one side has done all fhe shooting and stabbing

Posted by Rex Mundi 2018-09-20 02:14|| 2018-09-20 02:14|| Front Page Top

#3 What is causing America to turn differences into these bitter hatreds -- and why now?

The Left's lust for power. You haven't been noticing that? By any means necessary.

Then there is the sticky issue they've been unsuccessfully working on for generations of disarming the population in general. They've gotten too far ahead of themselves. Never have they staged a take over with so many armed citizens across the expanse of a land. They're about to experience American Exceptionalism.

Posted by Procopius2k 2018-09-20 06:43|| 2018-09-20 06:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Avoiding the violence and bloodshed by selling out and moving elsewhere has been going on in urban America for years. The vacuum is quickly filled by loyal, left-leaning constituents. Clinton's recent call to dump the 'Electoral College' is clear evidence of their intent to govern through the will of the urban mob.

Yet another proof of the left's intent is their 'open borders' campaign.

From yesterday's Washington Examiner:

Nearly half of residents in top 5 US cities do not speak English at home, a record 65 million.

Posted by Besoeker 2018-09-20 07:30|| 2018-09-20 07:30|| Front Page Top

#5 They say they hate Donald Trump, but it's us they hate. Take that hatred financed by that scumbag Soros and you have a problem which will most probably not resolve of it's own accord.

Posted by Cesare 2018-09-20 09:12|| 2018-09-20 09:12|| Front Page Top

#6 "Victor Davis Hansen - Are We on the Verge of Civil War?"

No, we're not on the verge of a civil war-- we're in it. Right now it's on a low level, with random acts of violence that are increasing in frequency.

But I don't think it will stay that way much longer.

Posted by Dave D. 2018-09-20 10:41|| 2018-09-20 10:41|| Front Page Top

#7 So we will point fingers at the left, and they will point fingers at us. Both sides are wrong. Our political reps, in conjunction with heavy financiers are working in conjunction with mainstream media to propagandize this nation into total division. Most readers will say, ya Occupy is a propaganda arm and the left are falling for it. But it is working both ways folks. Middle America, moderately educated, high school and college grads are the prime for sophisticated propaganda. We ask our selves how did Hitler sway a nation of good Christians into murdering millions of Jews? We look to today and see the template in action. We, on both sides are being bombarded with propaganda that is designed to divide us and drive us to a shrill level of contempt for our neighbors. All good propaganda has to be based in some truth, Kapra's first rule of propaganda, that truth is what they use to link the message to, and the message does not necessarily have to correlate with the truth. It is an art. This drives the mind to accept it as fact, just like the fact that even after marching the German population through the camps to see what happened, most did not believe it. We are there, in the last 15 years, with the advent of 24hour news cycles and Facebook, we have decided to believe the Rachel Maddows and Hahannities, over our own common sense and allow them to drive us to anxieties spurring things like Antifa and giving Anarchists a venue in our national dialogue. Our common enemy is the national media and the social media. There is no way for them to self regulate, there is no way for our nation to put rules into place. We must turn it off, stop logging in and listening to the poison, and sit with our neighbors and find common ground, or the civil war will be the most violent ever witnessed.

Posted by 49 Pan 2018-09-20 12:28|| 2018-09-20 12:28|| Front Page Top

#8 Wow, who are you and what have you done to my friend Pan?

Posted by Skidmark 2018-09-20 12:51|| 2018-09-20 12:51|| Front Page Top

#9 Want to knock out the Dem support base? Take away the tax deduction for advertising. Seriously, think about it. All media including Google and FB lose their reason to exist.

Posted by 3dc 2018-09-20 13:09|| 2018-09-20 13:09|| Front Page Top

#10 49 Pan has some good points. Living as I do in coastal California, I know a number of otherwise good, intelligent people who would be described by Rantburgers as barking mad moon bat loony liberals. I don't want to believe I could bring myself to shoot any of them. I don't believe they know any better.

It cuts right through families. We can't talk about it at family gatherings anymore because we'd end up at each others' throats.

It's a miracle I grew up conservative. Frequent visits to the Midwest in my younger years might have had something to do with it. But then, California used to be a red state and I'm old enough to remember those days. Also, it says right there in the Bible, "Thou shalt not steal" and socialism sounds a lot like stealing to me.

Environment, and that includes the media, seems to have a lot to do with it. I wish Mrs. Uluque did not feel compelled to watch network news because it is so damn slanted. I asked her once if they ever taught her about propaganda in high school or college and she said no. I'm a few years older than she is and when I was in college they did mention it. A whole chapter of one of the English textbooks was about propaganda. I think it should be a required subject in junior high school because people like my wife don't even recognize it when they're exposed to it every day on ABCCBSNBCCNN and, yes, even FOX. That'll never happen as long as the teachers unions have any say.

It would be nice if corporate sponsors would yank their ads for this shit but we can't count on that either. It's really scary when you think about the way so many of these narratives are orchestrated in the media. What power can make all of these people from all of these different media outlets sing in unison every night like that?

One thing I like about Rantburg, even though it is slanted toward the conservative end of the spectrum, is that Fred and the mods allow different points of view. I like the motto of "Civil, Well Reasoned Discourse". Too bad you can't have that with barking mad moon bat loony liberals. Their favorite debate tactic is to shout you down. Lyndon Johnson used to say "Come, let us reason together." I think he got that from the Bible. But if they shout me down, all I can do is either shout back at them or walk away in frustration. That's no way for people to reason together.

Quite often I take my evening beverage outside to the patio to escape the nightly news broadcast. I gave up reading the newspaper long ago when I saw how they frame the debate by starting from false premises as if they are universal truths.

I never owned a gun and wouldn't know what to do with it if I held one in my hands. Maybe I'll get shot or end my days in prison. Maybe I'll move to Russia. I wish there was a better way.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2018-09-20 14:26|| 2018-09-20 14:26|| Front Page Top

#11 The independents have always been center right. They don't follow politics closely and have been lulled by the Democrat sweet words and a desire not to be seen as racist/sexist for over a decade. Now the left is showing their true colors and I suspect more and more independents are noticing. I doubt they'll tell pollsters at this point but election results may come as a nasty surprise for the left.

Posted by rjschwarz 2018-09-20 14:39|| 2018-09-20 14:39|| Front Page Top

#12 Seriously, Abu, ... get rid of the advertising tax write off .. and the leftist propaganda outlets masquerading as Media lose their financial reason to exist.

The NFL problem? Same thing. Take away special tax benefits like writing a depreciation schedule on players and they quit being propaganda outlets and return to being firms with a wanted product or die.

Posted by 3dc 2018-09-20 14:59|| 2018-09-20 14:59|| Front Page Top

#13 Think of NIke, if they couldn't write down all this crap, wouldn't they just be making shoes?

Posted by 3dc 2018-09-20 15:01|| 2018-09-20 15:01|| Front Page Top

#14 And remember each writedown is not helping to pay off the government's debt leaving your taxes to be eaten up by a larger debt serving fees.

Posted by 3dc 2018-09-20 15:02|| 2018-09-20 15:02|| Front Page Top

#15 But, 3dc, you would have to get Congress to act on something like that and Congress these days is only good for passing gas.

I was thinking more along the lines of what individuals can do to keep from getting themselves organized into opposing armies.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2018-09-20 15:31|| 2018-09-20 15:31|| Front Page Top

#16 Abu (and others allergic to all propaganda, not just the eeeevil gluten-loaded enemy stuff): PROPAGANDA. Used to be a thing, almost. Doubt it's grown. Helped immeasurably in my lifelong project of being liked by everybody. Oh shit. I laughed way too much typing that. Seriously, lovely thread. Thanks.

Posted by Whemble Spomolet6933 2018-09-20 16:10|| 2018-09-20 16:10|| Front Page Top

#17 Whemble Spomolet6933 - I know 49Pan's phone is down for repairs. Did you enjoy impersonating him?

Posted by 3dc 2018-09-20 21:00|| 2018-09-20 21:00|| Front Page Top

#18 3dc, I'm not sure exactly where to grab ahold of that. I didn't impersonate 49Pan, I impersonated my own sloppy self. If you're suggesting I aped his tone or content... I'm not seeing it. If you're suggesting my involvement in a real-world occurrence involving somebody's phone... never happened.

If I were ever inclined to play silly online games (never have been), this is about the last place I would start. Wall to wall geeks, spooks and lord knows what, and me on a friggin' cable modem, swingin' in the breeze? Are you kidding?

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2018-09-20 21:30|| 2018-09-20 21:30|| Front Page Top

#19 Just to be clear: the only posts in this thread from me are this one, the one above, and the Whemble one. No other communication attempted. No phones, semaphores, seances. Nada.

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2018-09-20 21:33|| 2018-09-20 21:33|| Front Page Top

#20 Wall to wall geeks, spooks and lord knows what

One of the pleasures of this place, to be sure.

Posted by trailing wife 2018-09-20 22:20|| 2018-09-20 22:20|| Front Page Top

#21 Just a mea culpa. Rereading the Whemble-gram, I see how it would sound like gloating or mockery to someone suspicious of something upthread. And I sure sound defensive above. Almost suspect myself now. Apologies for my part in any confusion.

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2018-09-20 22:56|| 2018-09-20 22:56|| Front Page Top

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