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2005-09-23 Africa: Subsaharan

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Posted by Steve 2005-09-23 08:43|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Next year the headlines will read "South Africa facing starvation as harvest fails". Unless the nations of Africa want to go back to pre-colonization levels of population subsistence farming just ain't gonna cut it.

Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-09-23 08:59|| 2005-09-23 08:59|| Front Page Top

#2 "...we may need the skills of Zimbabwe..."
Unbelievable. F'ing unbelievable.

Posted by Darrell 2005-09-23 09:10|| 2005-09-23 09:10|| Front Page Top

#3 I be glad to come down and lend my expertise. For a small fee of course. Ya can't just get expereince like mine. Lookin forwid to it. Ita give me sumthin to do.
Lemme know.

Posted by Farmin B. Hard 2005-09-23 09:40|| 2005-09-23 09:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Unless the nations of Africa want to go back to pre-colonization levels of population subsistence farming just ain't gonna cut it.

That sounds like a good solution to me. Don't forget AIDS and the coming flu pandemic.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-09-23 10:10|| 2005-09-23 10:10|| Front Page Top

#5 Population control at it's finest. I'll be happy to send some visas to all the "hardworking" white farmers in Zimbabwe and SA and let them come to the States. Plenty of farmland and opprotunity for hardworking non-racist folks here. The Dark Continent can starve. Lord knows Europe can't help you anymore and we would be fools to try.

Posted by Rightwing 2005-09-23 10:35|| 2005-09-23 10:35|| Front Page Top

#6 Cut off all food aid to any country practicing such racism, right, Jesse? Sanctions and no aid!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-09-23 10:54|| 2005-09-23 10:54|| Front Page Top

#7 South Africa:
Population: 44,344,136
Population growth rate: -0.31% (2005 est.)
Total fertility rate: 2.24 children born/woman (2005 est.)
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: 21.5% (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS: 5.3 million (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths: 370,000 (2003 est.)

Combine a low birth rate (for Africa) with the fourth highest AIDS rate, highest AIDS deaths, and highest murder rate in the world and South Africa has seriously fooked itself.

Rank Order - HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate

Posted by ed 2005-09-23 11:04|| 2005-09-23 11:04|| Front Page Top

#8 $220 an Acre for a developed farm,that's a deliberate insult designed to ne rejected so they can force him out.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-23 11:22|| 2005-09-23 11:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Looks like that dreaded disease Zimbobwiean Stupiditices is contagous.

Posted by raptor 2005-09-23 11:45|| 2005-09-23 11:45|| Front Page Top

#10 Stuck on Stupid aren't they?

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2005-09-23 11:57|| 2005-09-23 11:57|| Front Page Top

#11 Did the native African poluations get screwed by the colonial European powers in the 19th and early 20th centuries? Sure they did. But its not like they are they only people on Earth who ever got overrun, conquered or dominated by another group or culture. But while the quality of the colonial governments varied with the Belgians most likely the worse to the Brits being on the top of the heap (the Dutch Boers are a special case IMO) they were racist incursions into different culture/s. But the colonial powers also left something behind. A system of laws and justice (although inadequately practiced) along with other legacies. But at the same time reverse racism is not going to solve Africa's problems. If the Zimbob'sway practice of land seizures continues in SA then the white farmers and soon the white population in general will go from being stake holders in a society to outcasts in that society. And Africa can ill afford to lose the skills and talent that population represents. Just my $.02

Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-09-23 11:58|| 2005-09-23 11:58|| Front Page Top

#12 Blatant racisim, anyone? SA has a big supply...

Posted by mojo">mojo 2005-09-23 12:31|| 2005-09-23 12:31|| Front Page Top

#13 But mojo, this time it's the right racism.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-09-23 13:01|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-09-23 13:01|| Front Page Top

#14 Cheaderhead:
They don't care about "the skills and talent that population represents." They simply donât think that way. To these people Robert Mugabe is a hero and Zimbabwe is a total success, even though this makes absolutely no sense to us. Why? Itâs not racism in the sense we think of it. Instead itâs all about tribalism. Look at Zimbabwe. Bob is Shona. The first thing the Shona did after the revolution (that got rid of Rhodesia) was kill off the Ndebele. They only live in Bulawayo now. Only after that tribe was driven out, massacred, or geographically contained did Bob turn his attention to the next tribe: the whites. Now there are only 30,000 of them left and dropping.

This is a total success in all regards as the Shona now control Zimbabwe. Africans donât do âmulti-culturalismâ if they can possibly help it. Failed states? Famine? Crime? None of the people currently in power in South Africa care about these things even a little. You might as well be speaking in Chinese to them. First the Zulu and Xhosa will work together to get rid of the remaining Boers. Doesnât really matter to them how they do it. Drive them out, murder them all; whatever, so long as they are gone. Then the black South Africans will go to work on the âEnglishâ South Africans in the cities. When they are done with them the Zulu will turn on the Xhosa. After the Zulu are done exterminating the Xhosa they will polish off all of the remaining smaller tribes until they achieve total success themselves!

Posted by Secret Master 2005-09-23 13:03|| 2005-09-23 13:03|| Front Page Top

#15 S African white farm to be seized

So it begins. The lights have gone out in Africa, and we shall not see them re-lit in our lifetime.

Posted by N guard 2005-09-23 13:08|| 2005-09-23 13:08|| Front Page Top

#16 SM: Itâs not racism in the sense we think of it. Instead itâs all about tribalism.

Tribalism = nationalism. The problem was that the European powers gave their conquered territories independence based on imperial administrative structures instead of the original boundary lines between different nations when they showed up. Each African country is in effect, an empire dominated by one nation trying to keep the other nations under its thumb. Imagine if Africans had gone to Europe and welded Austria, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary into an administrative unit, and subsequently made them independent, but as a single country. Each region would constantly be fighting with the others. Imagine if - after the Cold War - the Soviets had let their East European satellites regain their sovereignty, but as a single country. That is what happened in Africa.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-09-23 13:51|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-09-23 13:51|| Front Page Top

#17 Zhang Fei, you are spot on (as is usually the case). IMAO it seems that there is only enough room for one tribe in each "empire." Federalism would be a healthy concept for African nations to embrace but I think it very unlikely that they will.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-09-23 14:15|| 2005-09-23 14:15|| Front Page Top

#18 ZF, the only thing you missed is that your scenario DID happen in Europe.

I offer for your viewing pleasure, Yugoslavia!

(Not to mention Czechaslovakia, but, they split into their two tribes amicably)

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2005-09-23 14:50|| 2005-09-23 14:50|| Front Page Top

#19 ZF, you re-created the Austro-Hungarian Empire there, and we all know what happened to that. I think you're exactly right -- the Euros screwed the Africans once by coming and again by leaving.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2005-09-23 15:05|| 2005-09-23 15:05|| Front Page Top

#20 SM, I did not mean to imply that the Native African population in SA will be able see the overall stupidity of this. Granted some will and and when things go to hell in a hand basket I hope they had the brains to get out along with any of the remaining whites still there. And yes ZF part of the problem in Africa is in the old colonial boundries still in use today. But I don't see any movement on the part of the different countries to change that.

Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-09-23 18:08|| 2005-09-23 18:08|| Front Page Top

#21 However unprepared the USA and its Allies are, its clear many of the African nations wish to organize themselves along the lines of the Euro Common Market or NAFTA, and are working to achieve it. Despite the WOT, any surreal threat of new 9-11's, the USA and our Allies can't afford to let our guard down and lose Africa to Radical Islam or Communism.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-09-23 23:42|| 2005-09-23 23:42|| Front Page Top

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