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2004-10-11 Home Front: Politix
More voter registration fraud coming to light
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Posted by OldSpook 2004-10-11 1:42:17 AM|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I am getting so damed tired of digging beneath the srufae of nearly every one of these fraud cases and finding the same roaches scurrying away - ACRON, and other leftists organization. ANd there are far too many instances for this to be just a coincidence anymore - this is a systematic attempt to defraud the electorate and the nation by gaming and illegally manipulating the election system.

Is there ANY way that RICO can be applied agaisnt these criminal organizations who are corrupting the electoral procedure?

Rmember the order is Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jruy Box and Ammunition Box.

The problem is the the NYT, CBS, ABC and others have denied the proper use of the soap box, Moveon and ACORN and others are destroying the ballot box - and activists judges, and big Sorors money and lawyers are destroying the ability to use the jury box.

Which leaves us with only the last resort: the ammunition box.

Pray to God that it never comes to that. But if the left keeps destroying the alternatives, they will be the first ones against the wall.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-10-11 1:48:13 AM||   2004-10-11 1:48:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 OldSpook,

The short answer is “yes,” RICO can and should be applied. The longer answer involves figuring out what the politicians are willing to face in terms of outcries of “censorship, censorship.” However, I think the LLL is crossing lines where some of the bad actors need to be put in jail.

In Colorado, these groups could be held to answer under RICO at the federal level, and under Colorado’s very similar Colorado Organized Crime Control Act, § 18-17-101, C.R.S., et seq. Some very basic elements of the Federal Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, 18 U.S.C. § 1961, et seq. (“RICO”) are:
Defendants formed an "association" to perpetrate various economic and personal injuries, and are employed by, or associated with, the enterprise.

Defendants have engaged in "racketeering activity," in that Defendants have:
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 (having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises), for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, placed in a post office or authorized depository for mail matter, a matter or thing to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or have deposited or caused to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or have taken or received therefrom, any such matter or thing, or have knowingly caused to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing; and

in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1343 (having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises), transmitted or caused to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice.
Defendants have engaged in a "pattern of racketeering activity," in that (within the relevant time) Defendants have engaged in at least two acts of "racketeering," that are related to the conduct of the enterprise.

Defendants have knowingly received income derived, directly or indirectly, from a pattern of racketeering activity in which Defendants participated as principles, and have used such income (or the proceeds derived from the investment or use thereof) in the operation of the enterprise, which affects interstate commerce.

Defendants have through a pattern of racketeering activity knowingly acquired or maintained, directly or indirectly, interest in or control of the enterprise, which affects interstate commerce.

Defendants have knowingly conducted or participated, directly or indirectly, in the enterprise (which affects interstate commerce) through a pattern of racketeering activity.

Defendants have conspired or endeavored to violate the provisions of subsection (a), (b), or (c) of 18 U.S.C. § 1961, et seq.

Now, granted, I pulled this stuff out of a civil complaint (so it looks a bit squirreley) but the criminal RICO cases (and cases under the Colorado counterpart) are very similar to civil cases under those statutes. Unlike a lot of criminal statutes, even if the government doesn’t act, any affected private citizen can bring a civil action under the statutes. The main difference is that private plaintiffs collect money damages instead of putting the bad actors in jail.
Posted by cingold 2004-10-11 4:30:03 AM||   2004-10-11 4:30:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 "...or have knowingly caused to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing; and..."

Oh, great. Now my brain won't work.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-10-11 4:45:14 AM||   2004-10-11 4:45:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Dave D., LOL.

Sometimes it taks all day just to read a page . . .
Posted by cingold 2004-10-11 5:01:41 AM||   2004-10-11 5:01:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Afghew, ewosh t's biehs sphe qhcid s pbyx (or maybe not).
Posted by Dave D. 2004-10-11 5:08:51 AM||   2004-10-11 5:08:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Are any of these lists (precinct voter rolls, criminals, y'all know better than I what lists may exist) computerized? If so, surely its a relatively easy task to cross check? Easier, at least, than doing the whole thing manually, which I'm sure is what the malevolent idiots hope for.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-11 7:14:53 AM||   2004-10-11 7:14:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 well said, Old Spook. These trends along with the shrill rhetoric are troubling.
Posted by SR-71 2004-10-11 7:56:33 AM||   2004-10-11 7:56:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 TW - depending on what Election Registration system a particular state uses, lists of all type are available to the general public.

The trouble with computer verification and cross checking is you have to enter the new registration forms in the system. It really becomes a matter of manpower vs. time remaining until the cutoff date.
Posted by Doc8404 2004-10-11 8:33:26 AM||   2004-10-11 8:33:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 If it's true the voter polls are public record - the Republicans should be printing out the records publically and asking neighbors to verify that those listed as their neighbors are indeed living there.
Posted by 2b 2004-10-11 8:49:49 AM||   2004-10-11 8:49:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 2b - the systems I am familiar with can in fact print out registered voter lists down to (which side of) the street level.

These lists are used for the very thing you suggest.
Posted by Doc8404 2004-10-11 10:09:35 AM||   2004-10-11 10:09:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 This is happening everywhere. Recently, my sister got a call from the Democrats here signing up voters. When she was asked if she was voting for Kerry, she said she wasn't and was voting for Bush. The call ladies response:

"Oh, you're to young to make a decision like that!"

What a bunch of BS.
Posted by Charles  2004-10-11 10:11:32 AM||   2004-10-11 10:11:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Doc, I was working with some of those lists this weekend. At best, they're 75% accurate, more often, it's more like 25%. The parties have enough trouble just finding their own members. I discovered that we had a Democratic party county official on my door-to-door list of supposed Republicans, for instance.
Posted by Mitch H.  2004-10-11 11:07:33 AM|| [http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2004-10-11 11:07:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 There is a record number of new voter registrations in TN this year. Some idiot in charge of voter reg in Davidson County (Nashville) was on the radio this morning publicly stating that they would NOT be verifying new registrations because they were so swamped! Free pass for the DNC.
Posted by Psycho Hillbilly 2004-10-11 11:24:30 AM||   2004-10-11 11:24:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Mitch, that's a problem you'll encounter with any database, especially if contact info's involved.

Typos, out of date address info, deletions and duplications, poor data linkage causing one or more of the above: any large database will be less than 90% accurate.

On top of which, one can expect any contact list to degrade in quality at a rate of about 15% or more each three months.
Posted by lex 2004-10-11 11:25:49 AM||   2004-10-11 11:25:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 I think we should require re-registration - in person and with proof of citizenship - every 2 or 4 years.

If people are too lazy to go to their local registration office to register then they dont need to be voting. Yes voting is a right - but that does not guarantee that it is easy.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-10-11 11:52:17 AM||   2004-10-11 11:52:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 They'd better look at the PO Box rented in Denver to an M. Moore, and the sample ballot delivered there to:

JABBA T. HUT, "DEM"
Posted by BigEd 2004-10-11 12:39:54 PM||   2004-10-11 12:39:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 When there is no more room in hell, the dead will walk the Earth - and vote demoncrat.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-10-11 2:23:50 PM||   2004-10-11 2:23:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Rex, the dead have been voting in Chicago since time immemorial.
Posted by RWV 2004-10-11 3:07:39 PM||   2004-10-11 3:07:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 the dead have been voting in Chicago since time immemorial.

Thank God (and Mayor Daley) for that.
Posted by JFK (the First) 2004-10-11 3:57:25 PM||   2004-10-11 3:57:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 RWV: True..true....though this time we're gonna see a nationwide "Bring Out Your Dead" vote.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-10-11 5:03:38 PM||   2004-10-11 5:03:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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