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2020-10-13 Government
Whistleblower Drops HARD Evidence, Biden, Obama, Hillary EXECUTED Seal Team 6, Audio Proof (video)
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-10-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ]  Top

#1 It's possible. Anyone who would go to great lengths to take down a duly elected President is coup-coup and capable of anything.
Posted by JohnQC 2020-10-13 01:03||   2020-10-13 01:03|| Front Page Top

#2 Two things that happen aren't necessarily connected. Salt to taste.
Posted by Ebbising Hupoth8296 2020-10-13 01:24||   2020-10-13 01:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Extreme OTT claims are used to cover up a smaller but unlikely truth.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-13 02:40||   2020-10-13 02:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Having some major difficulty with this one.

Mainly due to the fact all records indicate between $400M and $1.8 Billion in cash was sent by the Obama administration to IRAN. However, the EU nations unfroze about $50B and still far less than $150B.

Now if you wanted to argue the Obama $$$ was a Hostage Ransom deal I could go there.

Or IRAN had blackmail data against Hillary, that would have outed her Benghazi lies.

I could buy into either of those.


Posted by NN2N1 2020-10-13 04:58||   2020-10-13 04:58|| Front Page Top

#5 The numerous questions surrounding the Abbottabad raid and the demise of UBL create fertile ground for conspiracy theories. Very difficult to sort it all out in the heavy fog. Perhaps that is the intent.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-10-13 05:10||   2020-10-13 05:10|| Front Page Top

#6 I have a hard time with the supposed connections and motivations in this. But I also have a very hard time with the fanciful tale that some lone Talib took time out from tampering with the livestock to make the greatest single shot in recorded history at a CH-47 with an RPG in the dark.

Yes, ANYTHING can and sure has happened once you so much as approach the line of departure. But there are sure a lot of unique coincidences in that take down, this individual story notwithstanding.
Posted by Cesare 2020-10-13 07:32||   2020-10-13 07:32|| Front Page Top

#7 ^Remember, in the Kosovo war, some Serb AA unit managed to knock down an F-117 with a 37mm cannon?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-13 07:55||   2020-10-13 07:55|| Front Page Top

#8 the F117 did fly exactly the same route every day though
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-13 08:08||   2020-10-13 08:08|| Front Page Top

#9 Ref #6: Article of interest from 2010. Just saying.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-10-13 08:10||   2020-10-13 08:10|| Front Page Top

#10 She's had speech training, so she's some kind of journalism pro.
For something really unlikely to happen just at a given--which is to say the wrong--time usually requires a number of independent unlikelihoods to be congruent.
Each of those is like a fraction. Chance is one in a hundred, so forth. For them, if random, to be congruent and at the same time random is like multiplying fractions. You get to a very small value very quickly.
As with Epstein: The facility has a terrific record a preventing suicides, which among other things means the guards don't goof off very often, if ever. The same night Epstein decides to off himself. The same day the surveillance media get screwed up.
If we're taking about the Shithook getting shot down...ROE keeping AC130 from shooting multiple targets. Ordinary chopper and not one of the NightStalkers. No arty or CAS prep. Random village didn't know a HVT was on the way but got ready to fight. Or they did know and we didn't know they were ready.
While lots of things are a matter of circumstance; don't have the resources you wish you had but you have to go, somebody screwed up, information simply lacking....but when they all get together to have somehthing which, statistically, shouldn't happen and which is very, very useful to Somebody, then you have to wonder.
My problem is what taking out the SEALs was supposed to do to benefit Obama and his crew. There will always be somebody left with the info.
Posted by Richard Aubrey 2020-10-13 08:25||   2020-10-13 08:25|| Front Page Top

#11 /\ When I first learned of the Extortion-17 shoot down my first reaction was ST6 bravado. I have still not discounted the bravado factor. Other possibility was/is pre-planned Taliban complex attack.... read that, Quick Reaction Force (QRF) ambush. I would have liked (or disliked) a reading of the final investigation.

The QRF "Hey, lets mount up and go kick some arse" factor is often the father of fokups. Just say'n.

Posted by Besoeker 2020-10-13 08:32||   2020-10-13 08:32|| Front Page Top

#12 After digging into it several years ago, yes. Most of their families feel the same.

But the Iran involvement is a new one.
Posted by Woodrow 2020-10-13 08:35||   2020-10-13 08:35|| Front Page Top

#13 My problem is what taking out the SEALs was supposed to do to benefit Obama and his crew.

Have you considered the Ambassador on a whistleblower fact finding trip to Hillary's arms smuggling operation might have been the real target?
Posted by Skidmark 2020-10-13 08:43||   2020-10-13 08:43|| Front Page Top

#14 /\ Let us not forget the administration talking point at the time:

With Preds overhead, six to nine hours "Not enough time" to conduct an extraction.



Posted by Besoeker 2020-10-13 09:06||   2020-10-13 09:06|| Front Page Top

#15 #7 I have shot more than 1 RPG, and had the priveledge of being very nearly shown across by one. They are good close up, much better if you are shooting. Shooting one at a Nighthawk, at night would not seem like a good return on effort.

#9 True, from what I understand myself there have been more than close calls. But it has always and to my knowledge continues to be represented as an RPG hit.

I reiterate, a single shot at a terraining Nighthawk...replete with tail gunner, at night. COULD it happen? Of course. But if it did it remains the single best shot anybody ever made with that weapon.

I don't see any plus to the former administration in any of this. I equally remember the news conference about O'hammy and thinking at the moment that they all ought keep their mouths shut. Certainly that helped to almost certainly target the unit, and as with Vietnam who can say about operational security.
Posted by Cesare 2020-10-13 10:45||   2020-10-13 10:45|| Front Page Top

#16 #10. My problem is what taking out the SEALs was supposed to do to benefit Obama and his crew. There will always be somebody left with the info.

It depends on what might have been going on in Benghazi that someone might want covered up. There was a CIA operation going on there. What they did is uncertain.

The survivors might have something to say about this.

Cui bono?
Posted by JohnQC 2020-10-13 11:29||   2020-10-13 11:29|| Front Page Top

#17 Skidmark. I was referring to taking out the SEALs.
I've said this elsewhere: I was at Bragg on a MATA course summer of 70. Cometh Dawson's Field--see wiki--and we were getting spun up. 82d's alert brigade. Anybody else with a Combat Arms MOS (iincluding me) confined to post and told to be ready. My brother, a C130 nav at Pope, told me he had his charts out.
The hostages were too spread out--not like those lucky IDF guys at Entebbe six years later--so we didn't go.
Point is, we know how to spin up and all it would have taken at Benghazi is a Spectre.
There was no stand down order.... Which you would have to have had if there had been a stand up order. So we didn't have a stand up order. WTF not?
Posted by Richard Aubrey 2020-10-13 11:31||   2020-10-13 11:31|| Front Page Top

#18 Should some be confused by the churn of history, I submit this:

CH-47 shot down by an RPG rocket: second episode in less than two weeks


There are reader/lurkers here that are more familiar than I with these events...
Posted by Skidmark 2020-10-13 11:44||   2020-10-13 11:44|| Front Page Top

#19 A take from Newsweek on the RPG incident.

I understand Richard.
Wiki repeats a popular rumor that General Ham was recalled.

"Ham was in overall command of military forces when the September 11, 2012 terrorist attacks were launched on the American consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya. According to his June 2013 Congressional testimony, Ham chose not to deploy close air support during the attack, based on a lack of situational awareness about the circumstances on the ground. He denied the allegation by some Republicans that President Barack Obama or others in Obama's administration had ordered him to "stand down" a planned rescue mission that was ready to deploy."
Posted by Skidmark 2020-10-13 12:15||   2020-10-13 12:15|| Front Page Top

#20 Evidence be hard.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2020-10-13 19:03||   2020-10-13 19:03|| Front Page Top

#21 OH NO, not another "bombshell". If it doesn't come from Trey Gowdy, then it ain't sheeeet.
Posted by Clem 2020-10-13 19:06||   2020-10-13 19:06|| Front Page Top

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