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2009-10-15 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Turkey PM: My people rejected Israeli participation in NATO drill

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Posted by Steve White 2009-10-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 To summarize: Turks are Muslims.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-10-15 03:48|| 2009-10-15 03:48|| Front Page Top

#2 You sure they're not just trying to be more Euro? Seems to be inline with the historical Euro enabling of the Paleoterrorists.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-10-15 08:28|| 2009-10-15 08:28|| Front Page Top

#3 There's no need to be nasty---calling people Europeans, P2k

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-10-15 09:46|| 2009-10-15 09:46|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm pretty cool with being an european myself, just as are the israeli - sorry, G(r)om, but that's just true, either you like it or not, you are *WHITE*, IE european, unless you side with the far right and acknowledge the notion that joooooos are NOT white, are NOT european, have nothing to do with european History, european civilization, european spirit, in which case, I refer you and them to an amiable divorce and a swift repatriation of all those unhappy jews to Israel... IE, you basically acknowledge that ye olde RAUS was right, after all, to put it bluntly -, or white americans, northern or southern.

Of course, given your own bent, YMMV... but, in any case, that's how our (and your) "ennemies" see us (and you), "westerners", "whites",... IE whitey, basically, and that's all that count, denial or not.

And, no, AFAIK, turks DON'T self-identify with Europe, they DON'T self-identify with europeans, in fact, I guess they would take this as some kind of an insult to their preceived self-identity.

Seems to be inline with the historical Euro enabling of the Paleoterrorists.

The USA have a rather long history of enabling the paleos too, just see G(r)om's take on that, and the USa have a long history of institutional antisemitism as well, no different than that of most if not all other european countries. In fact, I even am led to think, given what I've read, than antisemitism actually was more internalized in anglo-saxon and or protestant countries than in some supposedly intrinsically antisemitical countries like Germany, Poland or France, whihc actually were some kind of "safe-havens" (as compared to say russia) for jews, hence the relativelly large, secure and long-standing jewish populations there. Might be wrong, of course, but I'm kinda tired of that old saw about how the europeans are "different" and "racist" and "antisemitica"...

Hum, also am trying to kick off my addiction to antidepressant (after kicking off my long-standing risperdal habit), so this might expalin why this kind of comments really bugs me right now, whereas I just don't care usually.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-10-15 10:44|| 2009-10-15 10:44|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm pretty cool with being an european myself, just as are the israeli - sorry, G(r)om, but that's just true, either you like it or not, you are *WHITE*, IE european, unless you side with the far right and acknowledge the notion that joooooos are NOT white, are NOT european, have nothing to do with european History, european civilization, european spirit, in which case, I refer you and them to an amiable divorce and a swift repatriation of all those unhappy jews to Israel... IE, you basically acknowledge that ye olde RAUS was right, after all, to put it bluntly -, or white americans, northern or southern.

What goes around comes around, anonymous5089. If you don't want Israelis to hate Europe, Europe should stop behaving toward Israel in a hateful manner. As to all your ravings about being "white" etc... and kultur---who told you that you own it?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-10-15 14:51|| 2009-10-15 14:51|| Front Page Top

#6 Dude, I don't own it, I'm a mestizo (bit chinese, heck, even a bit polish jew, and all), I'm not a white power guy... I wrote that WE Own it. WE. Meaning, including the joooooooooos as well. Simple as that.
And I don't rave, I rant.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-10-15 15:08|| 2009-10-15 15:08|| Front Page Top

#7 If you don't want Israelis to hate Europe, Europe should stop behaving toward Israel in a hateful manner

I don't really care about Israel hating Europe, not more than french (mostly) hating or just dilsiking the USA, that the USA having some real f*cked up stereotypes about the french, or that any given african ethnic group being an ass about other african ethnic groups... it's all part of the game, in fact, I think ethno-differentialism is a pretty basic, healthy, even fact of the human psyche, it's just it should be kept in line and shouldn't be an excuse for or being harnessed into harming others - hating them is fine, who cares, as long as you don't mess with them? Life goes on. Sticks & stones.

One thing I may be misreading about you is why you don't seem to have the same level of antipathy toward russia than toward Europe (that, I think we all get here) and, to a lesser degree, the USA? Shades of your own background?

Why this blindspot (I might be misreading you, though)? It's not a trick question, I'm interested.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-10-15 15:18|| 2009-10-15 15:18|| Front Page Top

#8 One thing I may be misreading about you is why you don't seem to have the same level of antipathy toward russia than toward Europe (that, I think we all get here) and, to a lesser degree, the USA? Shades of your own background?

I'm beginning to understand how Rush Limbaugh feels right now.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-10-15 16:00|| 2009-10-15 16:00|| Front Page Top

#9 I've understood it for years - but I'm deaf for a very different reason.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-10-15 16:08|| 2009-10-15 16:08|| Front Page Top

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