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2004-11-02 Terror Networks & Islam

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Posted by Spot 2004-11-02 9:30:52 AM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Wow. This is like a stroll down the memory lane of incompetence. Jimmah, Cy Vance, Andrew Young, Zbiggie...

Posted by tu3031 2004-11-02 10:56:07 AM|| 2004-11-02 10:56:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 What is it about democrats that makes them incapable of grasping foreign policy?

Posted by Anonymoose 2004-11-02 11:14:00 AM|| 2004-11-02 11:14:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Anymoose-The notion that if they click their heels three times and pray to the Gods of altruism and moral equivalency, the bad guys will go away. ;)

Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-02 11:19:26 AM|| 2004-11-02 11:19:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 This article made me so angry I'm shaking.

Posted by Damn_Proud_American 2004-11-02 11:23:52 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com] 2004-11-02 11:23:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I think this might put Carter in first as worst president of all time.

Posted by Ol_Dirty_American 2004-11-02 11:46:32 AM|| 2004-11-02 11:46:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 The 1979 embassy attack came at a time when the administration of President Jimmy Carter was trying to prop up the new Khomeinist regime in Tehran. . . .

That's gratitude for you!

Posted by Mike 2004-11-02 11:47:56 AM|| 2004-11-02 11:47:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Don't forget Burt "Audit me harder" Lance and his Budgeteers.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-11-02 11:58:56 AM|| 2004-11-02 11:58:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 ...and Hamilton Jordan and Jody Powell, who's main functions in the administration as I remember were to hang out at Studio 54 and do lots of coke.

Posted by tu3031 2004-11-02 12:07:16 PM|| 2004-11-02 12:07:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 DPA: This article made me so angry I'm shaking.

I don't actually see this maneuvering as a problem. The reality is that the mullahs had a choice - they could align with the Soviets, or they could align with the US. We tried to make their choice the US. The real foreign policy blunders were the Iranians' - they chose to fight everyone at the same time. Carter's major mistake was in not supporting the Shah, not in trying to align with the mullahs once the Shah was overthrown. He was trying to make an omelette after the eggs were broken.

The reality is that the Soviets engaged in proxy wars that killed 100,000 Americans. All the terrorist acts fomented by various Islamic movements and countries put together have killed way less than 10,000 Americans. The reality is that during the Cold War, the Iranians were preferable to the Soviets, just as during WWII, the Soviets were preferable to the Nazis. A Soviet-controlled Iran does not bear thinking about - this was why we prevented the Soviet-controlled Mossadegh from launching his coup against the Shah in the 1950's.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-11-02 12:13:25 PM|| 2004-11-02 12:13:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 What ZF said. The other aspect of Brzezinski's strategy was arming the Afghan mujahiddin against the Soviets, which was the correct move at that time and which helped greatly to weaken the SU.

Posted by lex 2004-11-02 12:18:32 PM|| 2004-11-02 12:18:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Screw Jimmy Carter. He ver comes near me I'm going to pimp slap him and spit in his face.

I will be out the rest of the day and probably tomorrow to help out a Marine. He's one of "my kids" that I helped in youth group (as a drill intructor then later as a Big Brother). He is coming home from Al Anbar province in Iraq. He was one of the best and brightests kids I have ever known, someone who made the world a better place.

His funeral is tomorrow.

I know I shouldnt post when I'm this messed up. But,

KILL EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THOSE MONSTERS!

DROP THE DAMNED BOMBS UNTIL THE RUBBLE BOUNCES. THEN SALT THE GROUND. THEY DESERVE NO QUARTER, NO MERCY. ONLY EXTERMINATION.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-11-02 1:02:48 PM|| 2004-11-02 1:02:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 OS: Screw Jimmy Carter. He ver comes near me I'm going to pimp slap him and spit in his face.

And he'd deserve it.

OS: His funeral is tomorrow.

My condolences.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-11-02 1:39:43 PM|| 2004-11-02 1:39:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 ZF,

Your analysis also highlights one reason I would never consider voting for Kerry. Sometimes difficult decisions must be made. Do you ally with the Soviet devil to counter the Nazi demon? Do you play nice with thugs like Pinochet to stop even bigger Marxist thugs? Kerry isn't the sort who could make decisions like that.

Now that the Cold War is won, there's lots of recriminations about supporting unsavory regimes in Greece, Chile, Turkey, etc., but does anyone today think that we wouldn't be better off with a Pahlavi monarchy as opposed to an Islamic mullaharchy.

Posted by Dreadnought 2004-11-02 2:01:55 PM|| 2004-11-02 2:01:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Remember the day well. I can tell you that Carter's wanting to reason with K was fine, but since it was not backed up with military threats, the denouement was predictable.

I tell folks I'm for W because he has been the one to bend back the straight line that started 11/04/79 and ended on 9/11/01. K's wanting to go back "where we were" is pure denial, as the article so well shows.

Posted by chicago mike 2004-11-02 2:13:04 PM|| 2004-11-02 2:13:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Dreadnought: Now that the Cold War is won, there's lots of recriminations about supporting unsavory regimes in Greece, Chile, Turkey, etc., but does anyone today think that we wouldn't be better off with a Pahlavi monarchy as opposed to an Islamic mullaharchy.

Back in the days when I was a lefty, I used to think there was a problem with "supporting" these people. But that was a lie. We weren't "supporting" them. They were supporting themselves. And the Soviets were supporting Communist guerrillas to replace them with regimes unfriendly to us, where the existing governments were at worst neutral. Most of these countries had had authoritarian regimes of one kind or another since they started having governments. For lefties to claim that allying with them was morally inferior to letting Soviet-sponsored communist regimes take over - that is just insane. We took these governments as they were - authoritarian or not - lefties wanted to make sure that Soviet-sponsored or at least unfriendly dictators took over.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-11-02 2:25:54 PM|| 2004-11-02 2:25:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 I know how you feel, OldSpook. I burried one of mine 3 weeks ago. Killed by a roadside bomb.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-11-02 2:43:11 PM|| 2004-11-02 2:43:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 My condolences OS. I fear that with Kerry we will surpass the idiocy of the Carter administration. If he is elected, we all must persevere and make sure that the idiots who elect him see what a mistake they made. Unfortunately, that may be all too easy.

Posted by remote man 2004-11-02 2:44:31 PM|| 2004-11-02 2:44:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 I join in the condolences OS. God bless them all and Semper Fi.

Posted by Sgt.D.T. 2004-11-02 3:02:36 PM|| 2004-11-02 3:02:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 OS and Deacon,

My condolences.

After election day, there is a reckoning coming in Iraq. I would be surprised if Fallujah is left standing after today. Drudge reported that a U.S Soldier has been kidnapped. That ups the ante. I saw video the other day, of 155mm howitzers getting ready pound the city. Also, AP is reporting mass exodus from Fallujah.

OS, you just may get yours(and mine)wish, of no mercy and extermination.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-11-02 3:21:51 PM|| 2004-11-02 3:21:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Old Spook and Deacon Blues, my condolences too, sincerely. It doesn't change a thing, but you both have all my sympathy, as do the families of theses kids. God bless them.

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