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2005-11-04 Europe
Frankistan Intifada Gains Dangerous Momentum
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Posted by Steve White 2005-11-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11140 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 When the mosques empty tonight all hell will break loose again. It's the muslim way. Fridays are holy riot days.
Posted by Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2005-11-04 00:28||   2005-11-04 00:28|| Front Page Top

#2 I presume, given the tone, alG thinks the French should throw money at them to relieve their "simmering frustration".

"I will not accept organized gangs making the law in some neighborhoods. I will not accept having crime networks and drug trafficking profiting from disorder"

Et je certainement ne prends pas l'American Express.
- de Villepin (a man, by some accounts)
Posted by Regnad Kcin 2005-11-04 00:34||   2005-11-04 00:34|| Front Page Top

#3 The unrest cast a cloud over the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month

Next up: rampaging Christians on Christmas.
Posted by Rafael 2005-11-04 00:44||   2005-11-04 00:44|| Front Page Top

#4 "Frankistan Intifada" is freakin hilarious.

Dominique de Villepin, who is a man, has not said it yet but I assume these riots are because of the humiliation muslims have endured over the US occupation of Iraq. That's why they're rioting in Mosul and Baghdad right now too, correct?
Posted by JAB 2005-11-04 01:09||   2005-11-04 01:09|| Front Page Top

#5 The unrest cast a cloud over the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month

Rafael: Next up: rampaging Christians on Christmas.

btw, how can something blacker than a black hole Muslim holy month have a cloud cast over it?
Posted by Red Dog 2005-11-04 04:03||   2005-11-04 04:03|| Front Page Top

#6 Already it seems to have spread to other towns in the south and west of France, so tonight could be the night to bring in the CRS... Or not.
Posted by Ulurong Chavimp3400 2005-11-04 04:59||   2005-11-04 04:59|| Front Page Top

#7 Popcorn?
Posted by Rafael 2005-11-04 05:07||   2005-11-04 05:07|| Front Page Top

#8 A police union official proposed establishing a curfew and bringing in the military to help handle the rioting, while some members of the opposition Socialist Party have suggested the police should withdraw from the communities to quell the unrest.

Speaking to parliament Wednesday, de Villepin demanded punishment for lawbreakers but used calmer language than that used by Sarkozy...
"Let's avoid stigmatizing areas .... let's treat petty crime differently to major crime, let's fight all discrimination with firmness, and avoid confusing a disruptive minority with the vast majority of youngsters who want to integrate into society and succeed," he said.

Jean-Louis Borloo, minister for social cohesion, said officials need to react "firmly" to the unrest but that France also must acknowledge its failure to deal with decades of simmering anger in the impoverished suburbs of Paris. "We cannot hide the truth: that for 30 years we have not done enough," he told France-2 television, AP reported.

Borloo also urged people not to have a one-sided view of the suburbs. "One must not think for one second that this is the life of these neighborhoods," Reuters quoted him as saying. "They are an integral part of our country. It is in these neighborhoods that most companies are being founded." CNN

Screw the popcorn. This calls for a BBQ. Fire up the grill. Bring the beer. This could take a while.
Posted by Rafael 2005-11-04 05:22||   2005-11-04 05:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Jean-Louis Borloo, minister for social cohesion

I know it's mean, but I can't stop laughing. Have you tried Krazy glue?
Posted by Rafael 2005-11-04 05:34||   2005-11-04 05:34|| Front Page Top

#10 darn, I picked a bad week for a diet. But perhaps this signifies that Chirac is willing to bow before his masters and cough up the appea$$ement money so that the clerics will now tell their soldiers to stand down.

Got any lo-car beer? Raphael
Posted by 2b 2005-11-04 05:36||   2005-11-04 05:36|| Front Page Top

#11 Napoleon was wise enough to have the crooked streets of Paris straightened for just such an occasion as now. "A whiff of grape will stop a mob."

It would be almost funny were it not that we are seeing the beginnings of the reaping of the whirlwind liberal-socialist societies like France have produced. This will cause immeasurable damage to Europe before these scum are made to take their "dirt naps" wrapped in the pigskins they well deserve. How sad that all the men in France died in the Great War.
Posted by OldMarine 2005-11-04 05:37||   2005-11-04 05:37|| Front Page Top

#12 "But perhaps this signifies that Chirac is willing to bow before his masters and cough up the appea$$ement money so that the clerics will now tell their soldiers to stand down."

No can do - the imams have already tried this, and got pelted with rocks for their efforts. It seems as if this will end only when the rioters decide they've had enough.
Posted by Ulurong Chavimp3400 2005-11-04 05:42||   2005-11-04 05:42|| Front Page Top

#13 Ah, to heck with the diet. What's on the barbie?
Posted by 2b 2005-11-04 05:44||   2005-11-04 05:44|| Front Page Top

#14 No, I see something else coming, and soon. I don't think the French are going to let this go on much longer. I think the rioters are going to get that "whiff of the grape" and a bit more. There are going to be lots of dead Muzzy bodies in the streets, even more in the jails, and a hell of a lot more on boats back to the Maghreb and it's going to start soon. The French are often rude and arrogant--now they're going to display those qualities to the Muzzy scum rioting in the streets. This is just the opening act in an expulsion play that's been advertised for a long time now.
Posted by mac 2005-11-04 05:47||   2005-11-04 05:47|| Front Page Top

#15 If they don't act decisively, soon, it will likely spread to other countries. You know there are millions of the same sort watching. Closely.
Posted by .com 2005-11-04 05:59||   2005-11-04 05:59|| Front Page Top

#16 yikes, .com. You are right about that. This is like watching a gasoline truck and a cement truck careening toward each other in slow motion. Still a chance they might miss, but if they dont....
Posted by 2b 2005-11-04 06:03||   2005-11-04 06:03|| Front Page Top

#17 I hope you're right, the French people deserve better than this. After all, they pay enough in taxes...
Posted by Ulurong Chavimp3400 2005-11-04 06:13||   2005-11-04 06:13|| Front Page Top

#18 The French people might have enough spine to deal with this, but the French elites don't. As long as the elites stay in charge, France is on a one way trip to Hell. Charles Martel is spinning in his grave. There is no modern day Roland.
Posted by RWV 2005-11-04 06:21||   2005-11-04 06:21|| Front Page Top

#19 .com - very perceptive. I live right on the fringe of one such community in London - old run-down high-rise estate - what you'd prob call projects? - It's chock-full of Somalis and North Africans and completely no go for whites. A real powder keg in the making. My area is affluent and largely white British in demographic terms. When the UK economy falters as it surely must TSWHTF on a large scale here. Some native locals have already formed vigilante squads in the face of the petty crime these communities have brought with them.
Posted by Howard UK 2005-11-04 06:41||   2005-11-04 06:41|| Front Page Top

#20 be careful Howard! Here's to hoping that your weekend is boring.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-04 06:45||   2005-11-04 06:45|| Front Page Top

#21 Amen, 2b.

Howard - You have a no-go zone next door? I don't like the sound of that at all. Howard, my friend, is your passport current? You need to come for a visit - a long extended visit. Many beautiful places here, and though you may not feel at home for awhile, you'd certainly be welcome. :)
Posted by .com 2005-11-04 06:50||   2005-11-04 06:50|| Front Page Top

#22 Just don't move to Dearborn...
Posted by Darrell 2005-11-04 07:08||   2005-11-04 07:08|| Front Page Top

#23 Dearborn is ringed by armed suburbs...
Posted by tusaus 2005-11-04 07:38||   2005-11-04 07:38|| Front Page Top

#24 I fear you're all missing the point : all in all, this is relatively "minor", no death so far (of course having for example 27 bus, 400 cars and 3 warehouses torched in one night isn't exactly "minor), this is but a surge in an ongoing, worsening situation since at least 10 years.

The *real* danger comes from the appeasement of the french authorities :
- they've caved in to the narrative of the start of this (the two youths who stoopidly electrocuted themselves hiding in an obviously dangerous place labelled as such, after running away from an ID control... note they weren't even poursued!) and if i were to joke I'd say that soon the policemen will be accused of non-assistance to endangered youths.
- the local authorities are overhelmed, and have put all their hopes into "mediators", often from religious background; this "outsourcing" of sovereignty has been a stapple of local political life in such areas for a long time (in north of France you've got the Lille mayor who protects islamists and associate with terror-related islamic charities to get social peace, in heavily isalmized Roubazix you've got an alliance between left-leaning pols and islamists,...), but this is a new step.
-in 30 months or so, there will be municipal elections, and this new arragement will not be forgotten; the islamists have flexed their muscle, and to get peace, the powers-that-be will be ready to do any concessions they will be asked to do.
-same thing in national politics; the drive toward affirmative action, funding of mosques by the State, multiculturalism,... will only go stronger (and there is no true difference between Sarkozy and "de Villepin" there, the only thing is that the firts sez what he wishes to do, while the second acts under the radar, see the "fondation de l'islam de France" or the formation of imam by the Sorbonnes university).

What you must understand is there is a continous push, a "global jihad" that is mainly cultural, and that such surges in violence are only the "stick" to the usual carrot. It's a multi-faceted strategy, a culture war where only one of the side fight, while the other caves in.

It goes straight from the street level (where street violence, antijudeochristian/antiwhite prejudice drives out "gauls" from the 'hood, allows islamic businessmen to buy cheap real estate, to replace shops by hallal businesses,... and thus create muslim-controlled areas), to the cultural level (where there is an established "antiracist" apparatus that enforces the multiculturalist, islamically correct ideololgy, complete with rewriting of school books to present a "positive side of islam" or a terrorism-friendly curruculum in which the 9/11 attacks are a "contestation of the Us hegemony", law against discrimination,...), or to the political level (power and sovereignty-sharing with the muslims).

I repeat, the USA are the main opponent of the whole "WOT", but Europe is the prize and the main target. Both sides of the pond do not face the same dangers, and the USA are much less exposed (unless the terrs get their paws on WMD).
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-04 08:25||   2005-11-04 08:25|| Front Page Top

#25 In my US centered memory the closest thing to these riots in the US was the riots after King died. I seem to recall that Johnson sent Nat Guards with TANKS into the street and stuff quited down rather quickly. Now I've seen the video of the French doing much much worse recently in the Ivory Coast. Do they have the balls to be tough at home?
Posted by 3dc 2005-11-04 08:38||   2005-11-04 08:38|| Front Page Top

#26 Also, I'm 100% there is a concerted, organized, willful effort at subverting european societies; I'm not paranoid enough to think each and every euro muslim is part of it (though I'm paranoid enough to believe in Eurabia), but there HAS been recovered documents seized by french or swiss intelligence which show the muslim brotherhood and its affiliates ARE planning to conquer Europe using dawa, subversion (political, cultural,... using the West's own guilt, laws and institution) and demography (number is power).

Again, it is probably not one huge single conspiracy, but rather a continouus "process" enabled by an ideology (and God knows "classical" islam itself is an ideology of conquest, so imagine for the fascist-like "organic" version of the MB, or the jihadist salafism).

The USA get a taste of this through CAIR, but there is absolutely not the same abyss facing you. I mean, this is a war of conquest that is met by a deathwish!
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-04 08:46||   2005-11-04 08:46|| Front Page Top

#27 To underscore 5089's point:

Recall how the French deal with protests. Remember how the trash collectors, police, transit workers, farmers, you name the group....go on strike -- how there seems to be a strike every freakin' month.

The French government and culture fuels protest, which, till now, has resulted in nothing more than inconvenience.

This is different.

The French have no effective way of understanding how to deal with this and so, I suspect, will fall back on "tried and true" methods of: appeasing, dialogue, acceptance, etc., all of which CANNOT WORK, ultimately.

And if they DO crack down, that will further inflame the rioters.

In short, there is NO way, apart from abject dhimmitude, for the French to get out from under. The rioters are feeling a newfound sense of power. And they won't give that up easily.

I suspect France's nightmare is far from over.
Posted by PlanetDan 2005-11-04 08:48||   2005-11-04 08:48|| Front Page Top

#28 3dc : "Do they have the balls to be tough at home?"

French cops have balls and are quite able and ready to bust heads when necessary (or fun), riots or antigang cops are quite brave given the odds they daily face... and I'm not talking about this particular surge, which is not exceptional (except in the international media coverage)
They don't have the means to cope if the situation gets out of hands, but so far, this is manageable, though.

Fact is, they aren't getting any support from the pols, now or before (there are numerous reports of police officers harassed at home by youths and forced to move out, and their hierarchy doesn't support them at all)...

So all in all, response is "NO" IMHO, but perhaps I'm overly pessimistic?
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-04 08:54||   2005-11-04 08:54|| Front Page Top

#29 anonymous5089 is totally correct, though don't forget the man who was beaten to death in front of his family just before the riots started, for taking pictures of a streetlight. No memorial march for him, just the slow march to shariah law in Europe.
Posted by TerminalDecline 2005-11-04 08:58||   2005-11-04 08:58|| Front Page Top

#30 The comment on real estate values by A 5089 is interesting. Street crime and the occasional riot drives it down in the surrounding areas. As the Muslim population grows, they can expand the no-go areas into formerly more affluent areas by this method. Over the years, the no-go zones become mini Islamic states.
Posted by jolly roger 2005-11-04 08:59||   2005-11-04 08:59|| Front Page Top

#31 From the babblefish translation of the French site I see:
And for the province, of the riots in Coast-in Or, Rhone delta, Seine-Maritime, whose detail of course is classified confidential by the national media.

Anybody know anything about these riots?
Posted by 3dc 2005-11-04 10:01||   2005-11-04 10:01|| Front Page Top

#32 Fact is, they [police] aren't getting any support from the pols, now or before

Much like the police in LA and here in Cincinnati leading up to the riots in those cities. IMHO, failure tosupport the police is one of the factors that lead to riots -- once the slime knows you won't support your defense, they know they're free to do what they please.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-11-04 10:13|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-11-04 10:13|| Front Page Top

#33 Is this on the MSM yet ?
Posted by wxjames 2005-11-04 10:32||   2005-11-04 10:32|| Front Page Top

#34 Disabled Woman Set On Fire In Riots

A handicapped woman was doused with petrol and set on fire by youths during another night of rioting in Paris.

The 56-year-old suffered third degree burns to 20% of her body in the attack.

Witnesses said a youth poured petrol over the woman and then threw a Molotov cocktail on to the bus she was travelling on in the suburb of Sevran.

Other passengers were able to flee but she was unable to escape because of her disabilities.


(via LGF. Of course, 24-hour rule, it could be a Katrina-esque rumor, etc.)

As I emailed someone at NRO yesterday, the lack of deaths in these riots is purely a matter of luck.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-11-04 10:52|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-11-04 10:52|| Front Page Top

#35 In an alternate universe, President Kerry just invaded France to protect the motherland.
Posted by Master of Obvious 2005-11-04 11:06||   2005-11-04 11:06|| Front Page Top

#36 3dc : "Anybody know anything about these riots?"

No, not really; ususally they only show up in local press, they are "everyday riots" from the famed "no go zones"(Tm), probably not related at all to what happens in Seine Saint-Denis (Paris area).

From what I've read today in my usual islamophobic(also Tm) websites, the commentators say that 5 cars were torched in Dijon, there was fightings against the police in Drancy, 7 cars torched at Salon de Provence,...

Re the Paris riots, there was several very violent "incidents", including an handicaped 50 years woman which was voluntary spread with gasoline and set on fire (20% burnt 3 degree) while 200 youths ambushed a bus, dozens of cars burnt in broad daylight on asupermarket parking,...

Note that the "youths" in the Paris riots are using cellphones and internet, especially the "skyblogs" comments (blogs hosted by the rap radio Skyrock, think what you would get if Mtv hosted blogs for its viewers... and some of which are a perfect illustration of the anti-french gangsta rap subculture, and I mean "sub", given the "french they are using) to coordonate and emulate themselves, there was a very interesting "Figaro" article on that, complete with french traduction of gangsta talk.

See at http://www.skyblog.com/ and search for islam, Algérie, Maroc, rap,..., you'll get a glimpse of the cités subculture, which is not obligatory a criminal one btw, though "gangsta rap" certainly is an heavy influence, but often is a counterculture to "french" one, based on the country of origin, islam,...
http://nasser93.skyblog.com/
http://bamakosoldat.skyblog.com/
http://annabi67200.skyblog.com/index.html
http://naram.skyblog.com/index.html
http://bad-boy-93.skyblog.com/
http://blog-hardkore.skyblog.com/index.html
http://ralf-93.skyblog.com/
http://linda-du-93.skyblog.com/
...
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-04 11:33||   2005-11-04 11:33|| Front Page Top

#37 1. no go areas = theres no go areas, and then theres no go areas. There used to be plenty of areas in US cities where a white civilian wouldnt go, and there are still some. But I dont think there were ever any areas where the police wouldnt go. Whats shocking is the extent to which the police had completely abandoned the banlieus, even before this started. Whats the situation in the UK, Howard?

2. French action - I think there are two drives here - the division between DeVillepin and Sarkosy, and the fact that there hasnt been a death yet (though they came pretty close with that handicapped woman) I think they still think it will "burn out" and are afraid to make it worse - I think DeVill is all set to blame it all on Sarkosy - of course IF it turns out that Sarkosy was advocating going in hard early, and they didnt cause of Devill, and it gets out of hand, then DeVill is history. OTOH if they go in, at Sarkosys urging, and it then gets out of hand, Sarkosy is history. And France probably gets a Socialist govt in short order, which no one in the ruling party wants.
Posted by liberalhawk 2005-11-04 12:30||   2005-11-04 12:30|| Front Page Top

#38 Thirty months to the next election? By then your nephew will be old enough to travel well, anonymous5089. Please seriously consider packing up your whole family and bringing them to this side of the pond. If they want to live in a more familiar environment, New Orleans and Quebec both could use hard working Frenchmen like y'all. Or the Cincinnati suburb of Montgomery, which is twinned to a French town (I don't remember which one, I'm afraid), and has a lovely 14.July celebration every year.
Posted by trailing wife 2005-11-04 12:31||   2005-11-04 12:31|| Front Page Top

#39  But I dont think there were ever any areas where the police wouldnt go.

That was apparently the situation in parts of New Orleans before the storm.
Posted by Phil 2005-11-04 12:32||   2005-11-04 12:32|| Front Page Top

#40 I sure miss the old Paris. Nothing but Cafe au lait and red wine. I hope the Mooslims don't hurt all the nice artwork. They certainly have a propensity towards breakings things that are either beautiful, historic, or just non-Mooslim.
Posted by intrinsicpilot 2005-11-04 12:37||   2005-11-04 12:37|| Front Page Top

#41 @ liberalhawk : good analysis, really, I do not really agree to your "social" interpretation, but you do have a clear mind.

@ Trailing wife : you're too kind; I live in french alps, just next to Switzerland, this whole mess is as foreign to me as it is to you (though I've got family in an industrial small town 40 km from here where there is a 30-40%? muslim pop, and many problems, though nothing comparable to Ile de France).
I'm fat and lazy, and a failure, I wouldn't survive in a demanding Us environment. I already said that, but when France sinks, I sink with it. Oh, well.
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-04 12:41||   2005-11-04 12:41|| Front Page Top

#42 But you can think for yourself, A5089. Admittedly that doesn't do you much good in La Belle France, but it works remarkably well elsewhere.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2005-11-04 12:50||   2005-11-04 12:50|| Front Page Top

#43 a5089, you're thinking backwards. You are multilingual, surely well-traveled (at least in that part of Europe), you can speak intelligently on a number of topics, and are obviously family oriented. Find yourself a nice, ambitious, career woman, and become a trophy house-husband. Honestly, it's the latest thing over here! With the right woman, you could even hire someone to do the housekeeping, and let your wife do the cooking.

On the other hand, I could be pursuaded to live in the French Alps if it were absolutely necessary ;-), and you can quickly go across the border if necessary.
Posted by trailing wife 2005-11-04 13:13||   2005-11-04 13:13|| Front Page Top

#44 intrinsicpilot: " breakings things that are either beautiful, historic, or just non-Mooslim"
The only history of importance in a land is the history after the arival of Islam, remember? Before that was just the time of ignorance, and you can't learn anything from the ignorant.

But seriously, I wish I had better information on what was really going on. The low number of deaths (0?) suggests that the really hardcore islamists (the ones smuggling the AK's around) are lying low. And so what groups are on the streets, and are they just the usual thugs? Are a lot of people trying to get out? And what is being said in the mosques?
Thanks for the pointers to skyblog.
Posted by James">James  2005-11-04 13:49|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2005-11-04 13:49|| Front Page Top

#45  I think the medical term this is CANCER (Islamosarcoma). Probably stage III right now. If the Frenchies don't come up with the fortitude to go for surgery, well lets just say I wouldn't be selling them any life insurance.
Posted by FeralCat 2005-11-04 13:51||   2005-11-04 13:51|| Front Page Top

#46  I think the medical term FOR this is CANCER (Islamosarcoma). Probably stage III right now. If the Frenchies don't come up with the fortitude to go for surgery, well lets just say I wouldn't be selling them any life insurance.
Posted by FeralCat 2005-11-04 13:54||   2005-11-04 13:54|| Front Page Top

#47 Chemotherapy?
Posted by Cheanter Graiting1433 2005-11-04 13:56||   2005-11-04 13:56|| Front Page Top

#48 Debridement.
Posted by Howard UK 2005-11-04 14:02||   2005-11-04 14:02|| Front Page Top

#49 @ Trailing wife, Ot : yeah, a trophy spouse, that's the ticket!
Sure beats selling my kidneys, or, as I planned, renting my soft, hairless body to drunken east european truckers, on highways rest areas.

No, seriously, I AM a failure, but I'm mostly happy, I live a very comfortable live. Thanks for the thought, still ;-)!
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-04 14:33||   2005-11-04 14:33|| Front Page Top

#50 Anonymous: If you can walk to the gasthaus, hear cow bells ringing in the distance, and enjoy good clean Alpinian air... you ain't no failure lad.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-04 14:39||   2005-11-04 14:39|| Front Page Top

#51 A5089, By my watch it should be after dark there. Have the Friday evening festivities begun yet? What did the imams have to say at "prayer"?
Posted by Elmoluter Florong1452 2005-11-04 15:24||   2005-11-04 15:24|| Front Page Top

#52 Q: Why do the side-walks of the Champs Elysees have so much tree cover?

A: Because the German Army preferred marching in the shade.

See more
Posted by The Happy Fliegerabwehrkanonen 2005-11-04 18:07|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]  2005-11-04 18:07|| Front Page Top

#53 I'm sure there's another Caligula type somewhere in Europe that will rise to power when the fear level of the locals reaches crisis level, and he/she will "take care of matters". It'll be messy, ugly, and destructive, but I don't think the Europeans will put up with this kind of behavior forever. Once they get angry enough, the muzzies will be on the losing end of the stick. The ayrabs haven't won a war, even against themselves, in 200 years. Terror is the only weapon they use successfully. Once the Europeans get to the point where they're willing to be nastier than the muzzies, it's all over. I give it two years, max, then the muzzies will get a version of hell they won't like at all.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2005-11-04 21:39|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2005-11-04 21:39|| Front Page Top

#54 you can't commit teror if you're all dead
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