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2004-11-10 Europe
Germany rejects war to force Iranian nuclear compliance
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Posted by tipper 2004-11-10 9:08:06 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I'm not surprised, they'd rather the crazed Mullah's have the bomb than admit their policy of appeasement has failed.

"Axis of weakness" is spot on!
Posted by RJB in JC MO 2004-11-10 9:26:26 AM||   2004-11-10 9:26:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, ruled out use of military force against Iran amid rising concern over its nuclear programme."

-Naturally, one would require a respectable military force in order to do so in the first place. In Germany's case - they do not have one. Joschka is again the master of the obvious.

I hope he is not pretending to speak for the US. Iran or Syria will most likely be dealt w/through force in the next 5 yrs if the present course they are on stays as is. Either by us or the Israelis. The mullahs will play the "axis of weakness" for the fools they are as long as they can.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-11-10 9:27:10 AM||   2004-11-10 9:27:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The Israelis will takeout the Iranian facilities soon if the rest of the world doesn't get off their collective asses and fix this!
Posted by RJB in JC MO 2004-11-10 9:30:44 AM||   2004-11-10 9:30:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 hmmm pretext for German outrage at the Joooos' self-defense act?
Posted by Frank G  2004-11-10 9:46:28 AM||   2004-11-10 9:46:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Regimental Dinner tonight Jarhead?
Posted by Shipman 2004-11-10 9:57:06 AM||   2004-11-10 9:57:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Excuse me, Joschka, but if things go boom in the night -- and nobody knows for sure who boomed them -- is that really a war?
Posted by Tom 2004-11-10 10:10:59 AM||   2004-11-10 10:10:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I think Jockha wants war...
They rule it out they'll have war. The stupidity is amazing...
Posted by anon2 2004-11-10 10:55:32 AM||   2004-11-10 10:55:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 "You were given a choice between war and dishonour.

You chose dishonour.

You shall have war."

W. Churchill
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-10 10:58:36 AM||   2004-11-10 10:58:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 the joke is that Joschka thinks he speaks for anyone but the Germans, French, and Brits, all who NEVER had any intention of taking Iran on in any way other than commercially
Posted by Frank G  2004-11-10 11:08:07 AM||   2004-11-10 11:08:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Ship, we had our Officer's Ball last Friday actually. I was unable to attend as I was getting some guys ready to go to Southern CA. for convoy/urban training. I will be eating cake tonight & saying good night to Chesty Puller - where ever he is.

"We're surrounded, that simplifies our problem, we can now shoot in any direction and kill the enemy......"
Posted by Jarhead 2004-11-10 11:09:56 AM||   2004-11-10 11:09:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, in remarks released on Wednesday, ruled out use of military force against Iran and moves to overthrow the Teheran government amid rising concern over its nuclear programme.

Well Herr Fischer, you may as well pack up and go home. Without the promise of consequences if agreements are not kept (principles, sir), then even seeking an agreement is an endeavor unworthy of the effort.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-10 11:19:01 AM||   2004-11-10 11:19:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 The Germans appear to have internalized the idea that when they go to war, very bad things happen, and generalized that to everyone else -- being a people fond of clear rules to govern behaviour and thought. They haven't yet expanded their view to realize that, in general, when America goes to war, the world benefits. Other than that, they are quite charming in their own way.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-11-10 11:42:12 AM||   2004-11-10 11:42:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 
Germany rejects war to force Iranian nuclear compliance
Unfortunately for Germany and the rest of Europe, Iran hasn't rejected war - particularly after they get the bomb.

What - you thought Iran would only use their new-found nuclear blackmail/weapon on the U.S.?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-11-10 11:50:34 AM||   2004-11-10 11:50:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Israelis, bunker-buster bombs, by March at the latest. End o story.
Posted by lex 2004-11-10 11:58:37 AM||   2004-11-10 11:58:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Mrs D-Great quote! I hadn't seen that before.

BTW-I read your second link on Jacksonians and ordered Albion's Seed at the library. The author was on C-Span this week. You've got me hooked on learning more.
Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-10 12:02:38 PM||   2004-11-10 12:02:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Thanks Jules. It's nice to be useful occasionally.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-10 12:19:09 PM||   2004-11-10 12:19:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Interesting comments from the Aspen Institute guy. I'd always thought that they were a solidly lefty outfit but their perspective here seems to be very much reality-based.
Posted by AzCat 2004-11-10 12:55:59 PM||   2004-11-10 12:55:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Interesting comments from the Aspen Institute guy

Yes, Jeff Gedmin of Aspen Institute in Berlin has been a clear-eyed and courageous spokesman for sanity since 9/11. A telling contrast to our cowardly and backward-looking State Dept diplos.
Posted by lex 2004-11-10 12:57:39 PM||   2004-11-10 12:57:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I've gotten tired commenting on the latest nonsense of German "Foreign Policy".

It's like trying to haggle with a carpet dealer while threatening him that if he doesn't go down with the price...

You will

Drum Roll

Pay

His original price!
Posted by True German Ally 2004-11-10 1:36:34 PM||   2004-11-10 1:36:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Plus give him all the wool and dye to weave the carpet with...
Posted by Seafarious  2004-11-10 1:42:36 PM||   2004-11-10 1:42:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Diplomacy 101
Posted by True German Ally 2004-11-10 1:51:04 PM||   2004-11-10 1:51:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Face it, the mullahs cannot be bribed because they've already lined their pockets. Kerry's offer of nuclear fuel was especially foolish, and prompted even the mullahs to laugh at him and spurn the offer immediately.

Of what benefit is nuclear fuel to a nation that has 3% of the world's oil? Of what benefit is additional trade to a group of men who could not care less about their nation's economic health and who are, to a man, millionaires from the national loot they've already plundered?
Posted by lex 2004-11-10 2:40:28 PM||   2004-11-10 2:40:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 When these asshats drag out the rent a mob to shout "death to amerika" at every chance and Germany then says no war what are you to think about Germany? Where is TGA anyhow?
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-11-10 3:50:38 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-11-10 3:50:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Working for change in 2006, what else...
Posted by True German Ally 2004-11-10 6:24:19 PM||   2004-11-10 6:24:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 LOL
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-11-10 6:37:43 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-11-10 6:37:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 TGA, Any thoughts on what went down in the Netherlands today?
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-10 7:35:15 PM||   2004-11-10 7:35:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Difficult question. I don't want anyone to burn down schools, period. Not even empty Qoran schools.

But the Dutch are about to learn an important lesson. Unbridled tolerance for the unbridled intolerant leads to your destruction.

Those who are unwilling to adapt to our society, our values, outstay their welcome.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-11-10 8:35:33 PM||   2004-11-10 8:35:33 PM|| Front Page Top

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