Article

2013-11-26 China-Japan-Koreas

China Imposes No-Fly Zone Over Japanese Islands

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Fred 2013-11-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top
File under: Commies

#1 I hope Japan isn't stupid enough to believe that Obama will back them up...

Posted by CrazyFool 2013-11-26 01:07|| 2013-11-26 01:07|| Front Page Top

#2 The US + Japan + Seoul have all formally rejected China's claim of aerospace sovereignty rights in the ECS.

China is more likely to attack and destroy SOKOR + Nippon long before they can dev any effective indigenous nuclear arsenal as deterrence or utility agz the PLA.

Again, unless China is assured that the Bammer's POTUS successor after Jan 2017 is another ANTI-US GLOBALIST = MARXIST-ANARCHIST-GLOBALIST, it behooves China to make its Military or MilPol moves now while the "weakest/worst POTUS since Jimmy Carter" occupies the US White House Dec. 2013 - Jan 2017.

* JAPAN TIMES > US VOWS TO DEFEND JAPAN IFF CHINA AIR ZONE SPARKS CRISIS.

* BIG NEWS NETWORK > [Voice of America] US PENTAGON PREPARED TO [militarily]DEFEND US PLANES IN CHINA DEFENSE ZONE.

* SAME > [Global Post] WAR BETWEEN CHINA AND JAPAN IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

* SAME > [China Daily] REGISTRATION OF CHINESE PEOPLE [Nationals] IN JAPAN CALLED A SAFEGUARD, in case of major emergency = contingency.

Ditto repor as for Mainland Chinese in TAIWAN + SOKOR.

IMO Artic read = CHINA WANTS TO KNOW WHO, WHERE CHIESE IN JAPAN + OTHER ARE IN CASE OF PLA AIR ATTACK ANDOR GROUND INVASION.

Sakhalin Island I'm a'lookin at you.

* GLOBAL TIMES > FM SPOKESMAN: US SHOULD "CORRECT ITS MISTAKES" OVER CHINA'S SET-UP OF AIR DEFENSE IDENTIFICATION ZONE.

RELATED RENSE > CHINA TELLS US TO BUTT OUT OF ISLAND ROW WID JAPAN |[CNN.com] CHINA SLAMS "INAPPROPRIATE" US REMARKS ON TERRITORIAL DISPUTE WID JAPAN.

Beijing to US-Allies = ITS YOUR BAD, NOT OURS, SO CHANGE IT.

* WORLD MILITARY FORUM > CHINESE SCOLARS: CHINA'S NEW AIR DEFENCE ZONE INTENDED TO MAKE JAPAN AND INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY RECOGNIZE THE DANGER THAT WAR IS VERY POSSIBLE/REALISTIC IN EAST CHINA SEA.

* SAME > CHINA'S NEW AIR DEFENCE IDENTIFICATION ZONE IS CONSISTENT OR CLOSELY LINKED WID CHINA'S OFFSHORE SOVEREIGNTY CLAIMS AS PER ITS CONTINENTAL SHELF AND THE DELINEATION OF CHINA'S OWN TERRITORIAL WATERS IN THE EAST CHINA SEA.
THE ZONE'S AIRSPACE, SURFACE WATERS, + SEAFLOORS RIGHTLY/CORRECTLY BELONG TO CHINA.

versus

* GLOBAL TIMES > WEAK-NATION MENTALITY LIMITING CHINA'S POTENTIAL ON WORLD STAGE.

Beijing to US-World = In case you haven't noticed yet, thingys have changed.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-26 02:07|| 2013-11-26 02:07|| Front Page Top

#3 I hope Japan isn't stupid enough to believe that Obama will back them up...

I hope Japan isn't stupid enough to offer its back to Obama.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-11-26 05:43|| 2013-11-26 05:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Another grand Beltway scheme coming to fruition. The strategy in Washington was to engage the Chinese economically so that 'war' would be unthinkable, thus avoiding the nastiness of the first half of the 20th Century. So they sold out millions of American jobs and industry to the Chinese and even tolerated the Chinese artificially pegging their currency to the dollar to insure that their output was undervalued for over a generation. What the 'smart' people in the Beltway forgot is that the scorpion can't change its behavior, as the resurgence of 'Imperial' China demonstrates. Looks like there'll still be a war.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-26 08:23|| 2013-11-26 08:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Another grand Beltway scheme coming to fruition. The strategy in Washington was to engage the Chinese economically so that 'war' would be unthinkable

You're going back a few years P2k. Nixon, Kissinger and his legacy Kissinger Associates.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-26 08:36|| 2013-11-26 08:36|| Front Page Top

#6 That was political engagement to counter the Soviets. The economic ~~sellout~~ engagement wouldn't begin in earnest till the late 80s.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-26 09:24|| 2013-11-26 09:24|| Front Page Top

#7 In his new book, "Things that Matter', Krauthammer opines that everything is political.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-26 09:28|| 2013-11-26 09:28|| Front Page Top

#8 ..and for some people everything is racism.

I'll stick with - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-26 10:06|| 2013-11-26 10:06|| Front Page Top

#9 This just in from CNN.
Two U.S. Air Force B-52 aircraft on Monday flew into China's newly claimed air defense zone over the East China Sea without identifying themselves as China would have wanted, a U.S. official confirmed to CNN's Barbara Starr.
China declared the new air zone last week over islands that both China and Japan claim. The United States said it would continue with its own air operations in the region and not recognize China's new restrictions, which require aircraft entering the zone to identify themselves and file flight plans.
The B-52s, which flew from Guam and returned there without incident, were not armed because it was a training mission. The mission lasted for several hours, but the aircraft were in the newly declared Chinese air zone for about an hour, according to the U.S. official.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2013-11-26 15:35|| 2013-11-26 15:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Xinhua op-ed piece:

In their statements, both Washington and Tokyo accused China of undermining the stability of the Asia-Pacific region by so doing, but in fact, it is Washington and Tokyo that pose threat to the peace and stability in the region.

U.S. National Security Advisor Susan Rice recently reiterated that Washington is to send 60 percent of its naval forces to the Pacific region and it is to provide more advanced weapons to its armed forces in the region.

For Japan, Abe has taken a series of worrisome actions, including increasing Japan's military budget for the first time in 11 years, staging more military exercises and even openly announcing the intention to revise Japan's pacifist constitution.

The Diaoyu Islands are an inherent part of the Chinese territory and it is natural for China's East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone to cover the area.

Therefore, it is Washington and Tokyo who are indulging in the trick of calling white black. It is high time they stopped doing so.

At least they didn't use terms like "running dogs".

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2013-11-26 19:38|| 2013-11-26 19:38|| Front Page Top

#11 The US defence secretary Chuck Hagel called it a destabilising attempt to alter the status quo in the region and warned that the US would defy the order. The Pentagon has since stated that US pilots will not switch on their transponders to comply, and will defend themselves if attacked. Think about this for a moment.

Mr Hagel asserted categorically that Washington will stand behind its alliance with Japan, the anchor of American security in Asia. The United States reaffirms its long-standing policy that Article V of the US Japan Mutual Defense Treaty applies to the Senkaku Islands, he said.

Beat them drums. ACA, what's ACA?

Posted by KBK 2013-11-26 21:07|| 2013-11-26 21:07|| Front Page Top

#12 As per #9, ...

* WAFF > [Bloomberg]US TO CONTINUE FLIGHTS IN DEFENSE ZONE CLAIMED BY CHINA.

* PACIFICNEWSCENTER, FREEREPUBLIC > GUAM-BASED B-52S CHALLENGE DISPUTED CHINESE "AIR DEFENSE ZONE" OVER EAST CHINA SEA | US DIRECTLY CHALLENGES CHINA'S "AIR DEFENSE ZONE".

* Also from FREEREPUBLIC > [Business Insider] ONCE CHART SHOWS THE MAGNITUDE OF US NAVAL DOMINANCE.

Which Bammerika's future OWG "Co-Superpower", "post-US", "Mahanist" CHINA would like to de facto see changed in East Asia + Pacific.

* SAME > [Politico] CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: [Interim Iran nuke deal] WORSE THAN MUNICH.

NOT China but IMO similar principles are applicable.

IIRC RELATED TOPIX > OBAMA [+ Kerry] IS NELVILLE CHAMBERLAIN, IRAN NUKE DEAL IS MUNICH.

OWG Bammerika demands that its rivals + enemies righteously expand their borders as Amerika proudly surrenders + falls back like 1940/Vichy France.

[AMERIKAN "DUNKIRK" here].

Amerika wants to make it absolutely positively categorically undeniably ... clear that it was not militarily defeated or forced to retreat - D *** NG IT, WE VOLUNTARILY "LEFT" AS PER OUR COMPLIANCE WID THE UNO-N-ONLY-UNO LED "DIPOMATIC COMPROMISE/SOLUTION"!

So there.

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > JAPAN GOVT. RECEIVES [International] SUPPORT ON CHINA'S FLY ZONE, [domestic] AIRLINES COMPLY.

Japan AIrlines [JAL] + All-Nippon Airways [ANA].

UPDATE = Tokyo is repor demanding that Japanese airlines do NOT comply wid China's new requirements.

* SAME > CHINA CARRIER HEADS TO SOUTH CHINA SEA FOR DRILLS | REUTERS.

* TOPIX > [SCMP] PROTESTED AIRSPACE OVER EAST CHINA SEA TO REMAIN FOREVER.

Artic again illustrates Ambassador Caroline Kennedy's dilemma.

China wants guraranteed or unfettered strategic access = overseas "sole" Milbases for the PLA vee the "First Island Chain", + isn't taking "no for an answer; US East Asian allies want to protect their claims of sovereignty over disputed ECS + SCS islands, + also don't want to hear "no" for an answer.

Perts say the post-1945/Cold War "status quo" in NE Asia M-U-S-T change, but acknowledge that such requires a formal + permanent, Regionally + Internationally-recognized resolution to the TAIWAN + NORTH KOREA/KOREAN REUNIFICATION QUESTIONS.

Iran + China's moves will MAKE-OR-BREAK the Globalist concept of a OWG "Multipolar/
Polycentric World", i.e. iff the "Sole" Superpower USA can unilaterally or aysmmterically give up major power-n-influence to Lessors in deference to [rough] OWG GLOBAL OR GEOPOL PARITY widout its actions being seen as major or catastrophic strategic weakness by other "Great Power" wannabes.

CAN THE ABOVE GLOBALIST AGENDA BE SAFELY CONTROLLED/MANAGED, OR NOT - going by how many DemoLefties + aligned are jumping off the Bammer's ship or desire to jump off as per OBAMACARE, THE ANSWER IS "NO"???

At best a mighty, resounding, you-betcha
"Maybe/Iffy"???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-26 21:20|| 2013-11-26 21:20|| Front Page Top

22:41 SteveS
22:31 JosephMendiola
22:18 SteveS
22:10 JosephMendiola
22:04 JosephMendiola
21:52 Pappy
21:49 Pappy
21:43 JosephMendiola
21:42 SteveS
21:20 JosephMendiola
21:07 KBK
20:30 JosephMendiola
20:15 JosephMendiola
20:08 JosephMendiola
20:06 Redneck Jim
19:58 Zenobia Floger6220
19:47 JosephMendiola
19:41 Matt
19:38 Anguper Hupomosing9418
19:33 Zenobia Floger6220
19:14 Secret Asian Man
18:21 Besoeker
18:00 Uncle Phester
17:32 Shipman