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2015-11-27 The Grand Turk

17 second response suggests the Turks were waiting to shoot down a Russian aircraft

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Posted by Pappy 2015-11-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, saying he gave the order to fire himself

Whom the Gods wish to destroy...

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-11-27 04:04|| 2015-11-27 04:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President

As it's ZH I decided not to post as an article.

Turkey = ISIS.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2015-11-27 05:53|| 2015-11-27 05:53|| Front Page Top

#3 The biggest difference between Russia and Turkey is that Russia has spent the last thirty years dealing with Moslem extremists in various parts of the former Soviet Union and harbors no illusions about what they are.

The Turks on the other hand are rapidly becoming Moslem extremists and suppliers of men, weapons, and money to ISIS.

I hate it when some one tries to sort of suggest a moral equivalency between two sides of a conflict. In this case, there is none.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2015-11-27 11:43|| 2015-11-27 11:43|| Front Page Top

#4 This article ignores what had been going on beforehand. Turkey had been warning Russia for some time about sending bombers too close to the border.

Whenever war occurs in a neighboring country, neutrals get concerned (with good reason) that their citizens will be bombed by accident. It is standard procedure to have CAPs flying along the border to make bombers don't stray into neutral airspace. Russia had penetrated Turkish airspace before, so Turkey was waiting for them.

In addition, Turkey, NATO and Obama had all been trying to get Russia to coordinate its airstrike with the coalition or divide Syrian airspace into sectors for air control. Russia had ignored these requests.

This could have been avoided with a little coordination by Russia.

Al

Posted by frozen al 2015-11-27 11:48|| 2015-11-27 11:48|| Front Page Top

#5 Let me rephrase my comments by redacting "extremists" from my previous post. There is nothing extreme (in their eyes) about their behavior and it should not be in ours. That is the way they are, much as the scorpion and the frog.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2015-11-27 11:48|| 2015-11-27 11:48|| Front Page Top

#6 Al,

The fallacy in your post is that Turkey is NOT neutral in this conflict. They are active participants and up to their eyeballs in support of the groups the Russians are bombing.

Nothing coincidental or poorly coordinated about it. If Russia had given Turkey flight plan info, the Turks would have used it for firing solutions to pot a Russian plane or three.

Erdogan tried to deliver a message shooting down the Sukhoi, but he really doesn't understand Putin. OR the consequences of poking the bear.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2015-11-27 11:52|| 2015-11-27 11:52|| Front Page Top

#7 Turkey = ISIS.

All you have to do is follow the oil tanker trucks. It's kinda funny how the MSM don't ask about it.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2015-11-27 12:34|| 2015-11-27 12:34|| Front Page Top

#8 Even the Assad rump state buys oil from ISIS, because the price is so much lower. That argument was part of the support for the claim that Assad supported ISIS in the early, so as to have a bugabear to present to those trying to overthrow him.

Posted by trailing wife 2015-11-27 12:43|| 2015-11-27 12:43|| Front Page Top

#9
He bent Hussein's ears in the Garden
(He'd flown on a carpet to bargain):
"Please tell Rootenputin
To stop all that shootin'...
And am I too late for a pardon?"

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2015-11-27 12:55|| 2015-11-27 12:55|| Front Page Top

#10 It gets deeper:

A Syrian rebel commander who boasted of killing a Russian pilot after Turkey downed Russian jet on Tuesday appeared to be Turkish ultranationalist and a son of former mayor in one of Turkish provinces. He also turned out to be the member of The Grey Wolves ultranationalist group, members of which have carried out scores of political murders since 1970s.

Posted by Pappy 2015-11-27 13:52|| 2015-11-27 13:52|| Front Page Top

#11 A Syrian rebel commander who boasted of killing a Russian pilot

Methinks somebody just bought himself a ticket.

For those of you who follow soccer and the Geneva Conventions:
Article 42 - Occupants of aircraft

1. No person parachuting from an aircraft in distress shall be made the object of attack during his descent.

Posted by SteveS 2015-11-27 15:09|| 2015-11-27 15:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Steve, ISIS's excuse is probably that they didn't sign the Geneva Conventions.

Of course, that would mean they aren't really entitled to the Geneva Convention's protections...

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2015-11-27 16:18|| 2015-11-27 16:18|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm sure Spetznaz who'll caught up to this particular wolf, will be more than happy to discuss legal ramifications with him, Rambler.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-11-27 16:26|| 2015-11-27 16:26|| Front Page Top

#14 10 alleged Turkish warnings in 17 seconds - on CNN it took an average of 5-6 seconds just to read or listen to one.

NO WONDER RUSSIAN TOP EGG GENERALS + NATIONALIST ZHIRINOSKY DON'T BELIEVE IT!

Ole' ZHIRI is demanding that Vlad take some sort of major milaction agz Turkey.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2015-11-27 20:03|| 2015-11-27 20:03|| Front Page Top

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