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2004-11-29 Israel-Palestine

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Posted by mojo 2004-11-29 11:57:48 AM|| || Front Page|| [11141 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 âThe truce should have a price,â he said.

A price, apparently, the Israelis are expected to pay the bulk of.

No dice. Just keep on killing Hamas members, one by one, until what's left of their leadership unconditionally waves the white flag.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-29 1:48:21 PM|| 2004-11-29 1:48:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 What is the real difference between a hudna and a formal cease fire?

Keep building the wall. Withdraw from Gaza, consolidate territory beyond the Green Line on the West Bank side, especially around Jerusalem. Oh, yes, and continue making those who plot to murder Israeli children pay in blood, until their replacements come to their senses.

Sheikh Yussef hasn't quite grasped reality. If he is lucky, he'll have time to do so this side of his Paradise.

Posted by trailing wife 2004-11-29 3:06:23 PM|| 2004-11-29 3:06:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 this is just an opening position, i think. they wont get withdrawl, and probably not prisoner release for the hudna. But the Israelis probably WILL grant a suspension of targetted killings, in return for a TOTAL suspension of attacks on Israelis (including soldiers and settlers). This wouldnt be long anyway, just till the Pal elections, so the issue of Hamas building capacity isnt that big. Israel can always go back and take out capacity AFTER the Pal elections, which should go forward.

Headline today that PA has stopped incitement. Until Ive seen details, I will assume theres less than meets the eye, but even a small amount of progress on that would be good.

Gaza withdrawl may not go ahead right away, depending on coalition maneuverings in Israel.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-11-29 3:18:22 PM|| 2004-11-29 3:18:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 [Yousef] also said that Hamas would consider a formal cease-fire, if Israel reciprocates. He said Israel must be prepared to release Palestinian prisoners, withdraw from occupied land and stop targeted killings of militants. âThe truce should have a price,â he said. âThere is no truce from one side. The truce should be two-way.

1.) Note he said "consider". Not quite the same thing as make happen.

2.) What is their "two-way" part? This looks as good a deal for the Paleos as the purchase of Manhattan Island looked. So Israel releases prisoners (see insurgents a la Iraq-murderous terrorists), withdraws from occupied land, and stops targeting killing of militants and Israel gets "consideration"? Proportionality is the word of the day for Yousef. Maybe an evener trade would be that for all these things demanded of Israel:
1) All Palestinian parties/terrorist groups make public statements about the right of Israel to exist (where it is), 2) destruction of all books, lesson plans and madrassas and the closing of mosques and any political establishments where there is incitement to kill Jews, 3) stop all terrorist acts in Palestine and Israel.

Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-29 3:22:27 PM|| 2004-11-29 3:22:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 It's become totally obvious that the "palestinians" refuse to give up their idea of occupying ALL of "palestine", from the Jordan to the Med. That, in my book, makes everyone in the "occupied territories" lawful combattants, i.e., targets. I think it's time the US backed Israel's use of total force to clear out Gaza, the West Bank, and half of Syria and Lebanon of all "palestinians", and annex the land. If anyone objects, I think they should find a nice Mark24 delivered down their chimney for Christmas, and that includes Paris. We've played this stupid game for almost 60 years. It's time to put an end to it.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-11-29 3:58:47 PM|| [http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2004-11-29 3:58:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Israel must be prepared to . . . withdraw from occupied land

But, according to Hamas, the state of Israel is occupied arab land.

Posted by PlanetDan 2004-11-29 4:12:57 PM|| 2004-11-29 4:12:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 PlanetDan-Excellent point!

Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-29 4:14:27 PM|| 2004-11-29 4:14:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Hudna: a temporary truce to allow Islamists time to rearm and regather their strength

No More Hudnas. Give them more of what they've been getting -- it's obviously working.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-11-29 4:17:58 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-11-29 4:17:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 blah, blah, blah, Hudna. Blah, blah blah, peace process. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

These guys are like nagging wives. Her old tricks aren't working anymore so she thinks that more nagging will work.

Posted by 2b 2004-11-29 4:37:34 PM|| 2004-11-29 4:37:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh! Poor 2b, I feel for ya! :-)
I've been successfully unmarried 2 time, and I think that I enjoy the status, to keep it indefinitely.

Posted by Conanista 2004-11-29 8:40:11 PM|| 2004-11-29 8:40:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Just keep on killing Hamas members, one by one, until what's left of their leadership unconditionally waves the white flag.

And then shoot those flag-waving bastards too. Plus whoever tied the flag to its stick. The suckers who wove the cloth the flag was made out of. The farmer who grew the tree that the stick came from and so on until everybody who ever supported Hamas no longer exists.

[/"fry 'em up" mode]

Posted by Zenster 2004-11-29 11:38:51 PM|| 2004-11-29 11:38:51 PM|| Front Page Top

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