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2016-12-07 Government

Boeing to Offer Talks on Air Force One After Trump Tweets

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Posted by Steve White 2016-12-07 11:59|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Another lawn dart crashed of the Japan coast today. The "smart" alternative to the F-35...

Posted by M. Murcek 2016-12-07 12:19|| 2016-12-07 12:19|| Front Page Top

#2 So why didn't he just follow the Obama plan and blame his predecessor?

Posted by Bobby 2016-12-07 12:32|| 2016-12-07 12:32|| Front Page Top

#3 Isn't Boeing based out of Chicago?

Posted by Titus Splat4209 2016-12-07 13:12|| 2016-12-07 13:12|| Front Page Top

#4 Bobby, because Trump actually wants to get shit done.

He is a businessman and blaming others doesn't get you jack.

Posted by DarthVader 2016-12-07 13:13|| 2016-12-07 13:13|| Front Page Top

#5 I think this is what Trump meant when he talked about walking away from a deal that is not to his liking. Then if the other side really wants to do business there will be further negotiations.

Pretty sure the Obama way was to ask for all the bells and whistles without any concern for the cost.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-12-07 13:29|| 2016-12-07 13:29|| Front Page Top

#6 Pretty sure the Obama way was to ask for all the bells and whistles without any concern for the cost.

What does Obama care? He's not paying for it, and the press is going to treat Trump as though he's paying for it, so expect a lot more of this.

Posted by Raj 2016-12-07 13:47|| 2016-12-07 13:47|| Front Page Top

#7 Pretty sure the Obama way was to ask for all the bells and whistles without any concern for the cost.

And many of the specs not yet invented as well, no doubt, just like Obamacare. Mr. Trump should demand the sturdiest of the current technology options -- it'll be better than what was available thirty years ago, which is currently acceptable -- and customize the thing using off-the-shelf components and whatever the NSA recommends for secure communications. The president doesn't need cutting edge, he needs something to reliably and comfortably get him and his team from here to there and back again, and something that will keep him and the team safely in the air during an emergency. Experimental is for Evon Musk and John Denver.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-12-07 14:10|| 2016-12-07 14:10|| Front Page Top

#8 How about rebuild and upgrade the existing planes?

Posted by gorb 2016-12-07 15:05|| 2016-12-07 15:05|| Front Page Top

#9 My guess the Wagu beef menu item was what broke the bank...

Posted by CrazyFool 2016-12-07 15:37|| 2016-12-07 15:37|| Front Page Top

#10 Experimental is for Evon Musk and John Denver

pretty cold, TW, pretty cold

Posted by Frank G 2016-12-07 16:00|| 2016-12-07 16:00|| Front Page Top

#11 He just wants a better deal for his ride. What is wrong with that?

Posted by newc 2016-12-07 16:02|| 2016-12-07 16:02|| Front Page Top

#12 "How about rebuild and upgrade the existing planes?"

The problem is mainly metal fatigue.

Explanation given at link: http://www.flyingmag.com/when-airplanes-feel-fatigued

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2016-12-07 16:12|| 2016-12-07 16:12|| Front Page Top

#13 ...like the metal fatigue of B-52s?

Posted by Procopius2k 2016-12-07 17:15|| 2016-12-07 17:15|| Front Page Top

#14 Build a smaller cheaper plane and let the entourage and media fly coach.

Posted by rjschwarz 2016-12-07 17:44|| 2016-12-07 17:44|| Front Page Top

#15 Disclaimer, I work for Boeing. But we need a little truth on the subject. Boeing works the design, the bells and whistles, as specified in the SOW. Boeing does not dream up the equipment that must be integrated into the aircraft, nor does it outline the EMP, laser, weapons, and other survivability systems built into the design. The Pentagon defines the requirements. Boeing is under contract to design the aircraft, and to see if all that is required is possible. The cost of this is by design, and yes Boeing is not cheap, but it will be correct.
Second point, after I politely threw the pentagon under the bus. Just where do we say enough is enough with the systems in the aircraft when the president is on board? The new threats, high power lasers, EMP,EMP tracking missiles, Unmanned weapons, etc... All have been developed after the latest version of Air Force one hit the street. Which vulnerability do you want to allow? Times have changed since the doomsday bird of the 70's and the air force one requirements of today. These birds are going to be pricy. And finally the numbers are not correct. The average cost of a green 747-8 is over $300 million.

Posted by 49 Pan 2016-12-07 19:06|| 2016-12-07 19:06|| Front Page Top

#16

Posted by Skidmark 2016-12-07 20:19|| 2016-12-07 20:19|| Front Page Top

#17 #13 ..."like the metal fatigue of B-52s?"

Actually comparing a 747 to a B-52 is like comparing an apple to a orange.

The 747 is a "lightweight" build for commercial purposes.

The B-52 is a military grade plane, with thicker skin, designed to survive being shot at and all kind of nasty stuff. It is not designed for comfort.

Two entirely different mission objectives so it's not fair to the 747 manufacturer to expect the same life span, Customers would not pay for the extra durability.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2016-12-07 20:34|| 2016-12-07 20:34|| Front Page Top

#18 The B-52 is a military grade plane, with thicker skin, designed to survive being shot at and all kind of nasty stuff

Shouldn't the President's plane also be.

Posted by Procopius2k 2016-12-07 23:23|| 2016-12-07 23:23|| Front Page Top

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