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2004-12-28 China-Japan-Koreas

Russia and China to Hold 2005 Joint Maneuvers

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Posted by .com 2004-12-28 1:25:38 AM|| || Front Page|| [11140 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Now please refresh my memory...why did GWB rave about Putin being our great ally? What exactly did Putin/Russia do for us since WWII that gave them ally "status" pray tell?

Posted by joeblow 2004-12-28 2:41:40 AM|| 2004-12-28 2:41:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Bear and Dragon can go f%&k themselves.

Posted by Zenster 2004-12-28 3:36:42 AM|| 2004-12-28 3:36:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I wouldn't get too excited. They share a very looong border and this ain't the US and Canada.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2004-12-28 4:07:48 AM|| 2004-12-28 4:07:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Now please refresh my memory...why did GWB rave about Putin being our great ally?

Because he looked so very deeply into Putin's eyes and saw the man's soul revealed there.

Yeah, you can't get any more stupid than that. But I guess those are the benefits of the whole faith-based approach you see. It's nice to see the "leader of the free world" use such tactics to determine who's naughty and who's good. Though he'll need a bit more accuracy before he can apply for the position of one of Santa's elves.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 5:18:15 AM|| 2004-12-28 5:18:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 lovely, Aris.

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 7:24:34 AM|| 2004-12-28 7:24:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, real smart Puty. Just show the Chinese how unskilled and ill lead your forces are. Let the Chinese with an ever growning military budget see what they need to know and do to insure China's recovery of their lost northern territories. Ever wonder how China will secure its future oil needs without having to confront the US Navy?

Posted by Whaing Wherong1888 2004-12-28 9:23:35 AM|| 2004-12-28 9:23:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Aris,

I am suprised to see a comment from you. I thought you would be on the next plane to the tsunami affected areas, to rebuild the Christian/Jew hating mosque's. I would be so saddened to see that you didn't do your part in promoting hate speech and persecution in these countries. BTW, have a good time and don't forget to take olive oil and goat cheese, the Mooselimbs love that stuff.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:22:27 AM|| 2004-12-28 10:22:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 (I am with Zenster)
Additionally, I am looking forward to these military exercises. I am sure the U.S have lined up just about every military satellite for this one. We are just going to love finding all the weak spots. This exercise will help the U.S develop better counter weapons.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:27:27 AM|| 2004-12-28 10:27:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Putty-Puts version of the China card. Old Nixon scheme of yore.

Posted by Capt America 2004-12-28 12:06:24 PM|| 2004-12-28 12:06:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Poison Reverse, you've already been the only person I know who's been villainous enough to be happy for the dozens of thousands of deaths in the countries struck down by your mass-murdering deity -- including obviously all the thousands of innocent children.

Now I wonder: if (as sounds logical) we all be judged by our *desire* to do good or evil rather than our *capacity* to the same -- will it be you or Osama Bin Laden who'll have a darker place in hell?

in these countries

Yeah, you see countries, I see people. You are all for the collective, I'm all for the individual. Once again we two exemplify the difference between the liberal and the fascist.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 12:48:54 PM|| 2004-12-28 12:48:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Hey, Aris, has the death toll reached that of the 9000individuals Hugo Chavez has personally fired and now imprisoned from the now, state owned and controlled oil industry?

You talk a nice, big, fat assed talk, but when it comes time to actually get up off it, you really can't walk the walk, now can you?

Posted by an dalusian dog 2004-12-28 2:04:20 PM|| 2004-12-28 2:04:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 WHISTLE

5 yards illegal procedure.

1st and 10 for the Greek.

Posted by Linesman 2004-12-28 2:40:09 PM|| 2004-12-28 2:40:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 #10 showing it's true colors..ranting like the moonbat it is...Poison Reverse did not mention anything about killing dozens of thousands of deaths if that is even a number your blitering idiot..

Posted by Dan 2004-12-28 2:44:41 PM|| 2004-12-28 2:44:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Once again we two exemplify the difference between the liberal and the fascist.

Nope, PR has just demonstrated to you the difference between being a moonbat asshole and a realist.

Posted by JerseyMike 2004-12-28 3:30:19 PM|| 2004-12-28 3:30:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Aris wrote:

"You are all for the collective, I'm all for the individual."

I don't know... aren't you the one who's labeled about half the United States as theocratic religious fanatics?

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-12-28 3:58:01 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-12-28 3:58:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Russian + Chinese militaries = Sears + Kmart

Posted by lex 2004-12-28 4:35:40 PM|| 2004-12-28 4:35:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Aris,

You comparing me to Osama, who killed my fellow countrymen is greatly appreciated. Fuhgue you very much!!

Second, click on this link, for just a very very very very small example of what I have been witnessing for the past decade, in the tsunami affected countries. I have sympathy for Jews/Christians, not the pagans who want to kill them. You have some balls, bringing up innocent children that died in the tsunami, what about the innocent Jewish children that died by the hands of Paleos/Hamas.
Where was Aris, the mighty EU superpaganhero, when my fellow Christian/Jewish brothers and sisters was/is now being mutilated and tortured, simply for their beliefs?

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 5:32:21 PM|| 2004-12-28 5:32:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Aris: Because he looked so very deeply into Putin's eyes and saw the man's soul revealed there.

Yeah, you can't get any more stupid than that. But I guess those are the benefits of the whole faith-based approach you see. It's nice to see the "leader of the free world" use such tactics to determine who's naughty and who's good. Though he'll need a bit more accuracy before he can apply for the position of one of Santa's elves.

Actually, you can't get much more stupid than Aris. (Considering his ancestors were the sophisticated Byzantines, it's pretty amazing how retarded he is - it might be this - not being religious, he has no idea of the deviousness, via apparent guilenessness, of which Christians - including the Byzantines - are capable). You don't get to be an ace poker player by telling people what your cards really are. Bush whispered sweet nothings about Putin to the press, but spent most of his first term sticking it to Russia by stationing US troops in almost every former Soviet republic and sheltering Chechens who were wanted by the Russians. GWB took down Russia's favorite Arab client state, Iraq, and refused to honor the sweetheart deals that were signed with Russia. Note that the US abrogated several weapons treaties with Russia after GWB looked into Putin's eyes. Who's the moron - Aris or GWB? My vote goes to Aris, by a country mile.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-12-28 6:27:45 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2004-12-28 6:27:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 wellllllllllll
Guess I don't have to share my choice for moron, do I?

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 6:49:22 PM|| 2004-12-28 6:49:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 didn't that booty slammin greek say he wasn't posting here anymore?

Posted by Dan 2004-12-28 7:08:03 PM|| 2004-12-28 7:08:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 as in so many things, he lied

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 7:08:40 PM|| 2004-12-28 7:08:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Aris, You comparing me to Osama, who killed my fellow countrymen is greatly appreciated

You are welcome. Why should I not compare people who are both fond of mass murder and genocide as they believe their god commands it?

I have sympathy for Jews/Christians, not the pagans who want to kill them.

What about those pagans who *don't* want to kill them? Any shred of sympathy for them?

You have some balls, bringing up innocent children that died in the tsunami, what about the innocent Jewish children that died by the hands of Paleos/Hamas.

What about them? It's you who indicated delight in the deaths and lack of sympathy. It's not me.

(Considering his ancestors were the sophisticated Byzantines, it's pretty amazing how retarded he is

Ah, more racism. I should have had "intelligent genes" because of my national/racial descent?

You don't get to be an ace poker player by telling people what your cards really are. Bush whispered sweet nothings about Putin to the press, but spent most of his first term sticking it to Russia by stationing US troops in almost every former Soviet republic and sheltering Chechens who were wanted by the Russians.

Nicely said, but I don't buy it. Statements made by politicians do matter, and Bush's "sweet nothings" aren't "nothing" in acting to the appeasement of a tyrant who is still consolidating his power in his own nation.

it might be this - not being religious, he has no idea of the deviousness, via apparent guilenessness, of which Christians - including the Byzantines - are capable).

Are the Byzantines an example of *good* Christians according to you?

GWB took down Russia's favorite Arab client state, Iraq,

LOL! Oh, yeah, adding a new reason to the laundry list of reasons to take-out Iraq. I wish you people ever made it clear in your own heads what the real reason is.

Note that the US abrogated several weapons treaties with Russia after GWB looked into Putin's eyes.

Was that Bush or Rumsfeld?

If your argument is that Bush only *pretends* to be a complete and utter moron, then I must congratulate him -- he has done such good a job at it that he's convinced more than half the world about it.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 7:45:05 PM|| 2004-12-28 7:45:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 thanks for confirming your status. May it is? whoop whoop! - don't consider the shower ruffstuff as hazing, it's a confirmation of your EU-ness, dhimmi

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 8:08:38 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:08:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Was that Bush or Rumsfeld?

So your "proof" that Bush is a moron comes down to that the evidence otherwise are decisions made by his puppetmasters because everyone knows he's a moron...

You know, I'm beginning to think the European left is a bunch of idiot savants, infinitely intelligent about rationalizing their prejudices, but retarded about choosing which prejudices they "believe" in to begin with.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-12-28 8:18:41 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-12-28 8:18:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Aris, if you believe that Bush is a complete and utter moron, then you are a complete and utter moron. Bush may not be a polished speaker, but he has wisdom that is far beyond your tender, immature years. You may be all flushed with pride having just earned your masters degree, but Bush has one too. And he also has some experience that you don't: pilot, campaign worker, husband, businessman, father, team owner, Christian, governor, president, re-elected-president. Come back when you've gotten a life.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 8:26:15 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:26:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 From our EU idiot savant's Live Journal:
"Last four days (since about Thursday evening) I've been playing Sid Meier's Pirates! non-stop, with the only breaks being those relating to food, sleep or other bodily functions."
Nuff said.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 8:30:38 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:30:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Phil> So your "proof" that Bush is a moron comes down to that the evidence otherwise are decisions made by his puppetmasters because everyone knows he's a moron...

No, because there's not a shred of an intelligent statement that ever seems to have escaped his mouth, except in the occasional prewritten speech. But any question asked, he opens his mouth and the flood of stupidity just comes rushing out.

How's this for a different idiotic statement: When he declared Chirac (personally!) the best friend that America ever had?

As for Rumsfeld, Rantburgers have been masters in distinguishing between the supposedly moronic *State Department* decisions and the supposedly intelligent White House decisions. And I have never once challenged that reasoning. So why are you suddenly upset by the idea that semidecent anti-Russia policy by Rumsfeld need not be a result of Bush's direction?

I'm beginning to think the European left is a bunch of idiot savants

Except that I'm not part of the European left. I'm only part of the "left" as defined by American perceptions of the left-right spectrum.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 8:33:18 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:33:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 You are welcome. Why should I not compare people who are both fond of mass murder and genocide as they believe their god commands it?

Obviously, you were not referring to me because, the last time I checked, I don't have any power to create earthquakes. Unless, Oh! I get it. You think the Christian God is a murderer and have commited genocide with the tsunami's. You are looking for a God that YOU can command. So, you are in need of "grant my wish" King not King of Kings. Therefore, you will persue your own twisted compassion, science and hate, become an atheist and hope to prove one day that there is no need for a God. Typical and clinically insane, are your statements. I already do congratulate you, for NOT "pretending" to be a moron. Your dhimmi-ness, your MSM-ness, your LLL-ness, etc.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 8:33:21 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:33:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Tom> And he also has some experience that you don't: pilot, campaign worker, husband, businessman, father, team owner, Christian, governor, president, re-elected-president

Alcoholic, asshole, son of a former president...

I wonder if the qualifications (or similar ones) you've given couldn't equally well apply to most other presidents and presidential candidates in US history, including people typically called morons in Rantburg -- like Carter.

Poison Reverse> I don't have any power to create earthquakes.

You have the power to take delight in them -- as you have done. Do you think that's not also a choice you'll be judged by?

You are looking for a God that YOU can command.

I'm looking for facts, which you don't give a damn about. As for your God, he either exists or he doesn't. Whether there is "need" for a God or not is irrelevant. Facts don't happen because of the perceived need for them.

As for Tom, he keeps up on his online stalking of me. Why are you so obsessed with me, Tom, that you need to monitor my livejournal? Do you have a crush on me or something?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 8:45:56 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:45:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Aris: "I wonder if the qualifications (or similar ones) you've given couldn't equally well apply to most other presidents and presidential candidates in US history, including people typically called morons in Rantburg -- like Carter."
Answer: That's right, Aris, even Carter is way beyond you. Stop playing pirate and get a life here in the real world.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 8:51:35 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:51:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 A stalker telling me to get a life? That's rich. Stop monitoring my lj, Tom. It doesn't concern you.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 8:54:29 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:54:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Asshole? He's a recovered alcoholic, and since when is being the son of a former president a liability. Are you sober right now, Aris? Because you have called my president stupid, a moron, and an asshole and that's a bit over the top even for you.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 8:56:50 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:56:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 You have the power to take delight in them (deaths)

I don't take delight in every death. But, I do take great delight in the deaths of people who kill Christians and Jews, especially, for their beliefs. Have you read the article "Sri Lanka refuses help from Israel". I don't see any Jew hatred there, do you? The tsunami affected countries hate Christians/Jews when they need help, imagine how much hatred they possess, when they don't need any help. Again, I don't take delight in their death, but I have no sympathy because their hatred runs deep.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 9:02:50 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:02:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 takes a Greek to really know an asshole

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 9:05:59 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:05:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Aris, if you don't want the world to know about you, then don't have your diary on-line and Item #3 in any Google search of your name. And don't post signed insults on foreign blogs. Can't you find anyone to socialize with in Greece?

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 9:06:44 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:06:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 He's a recovered alcoholic

He's also former-most of the things you've mentioned.

, and since when is being the son of a former president a liability.

It does show that natural ability needn't have been the only thing that propelled him to all those so very exalted positions.

Because you have called my president stupid, a moron, and an asshole and that's a bit over the top even for you.

I have called *my* prime minister worse things.
Only people who see their officials as divinely ordained, people who are used to bend over for authority, perceive such things as blasphemy.

Yes, I've called your president stupid, moron and a former asshole. Deal.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 9:06:59 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:06:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Thank you, Aris, for continuing to live down to your ideals...status quo jerk. Somebody's bitch in May

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 9:09:46 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:09:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 A Greek and Italian were sitting down one day debating who had the superior culture.

The Greek said, "We have the Parthenon." The Italian said, "We have the Coliseum."

The Greek said, "We had great mathematicians." The Italian said, "We had the Roman Empire."

And so on and so on it continued, until the Greek said, "We invented sex."

The Italian said, "That is true... but it was the Italians who introduced it to women."

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 9:12:28 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:12:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 don't take delight in every death. But, I do take great delight in the deaths of people who kill Christians and Jews, especially, for their beliefs. Have you read the article "Sri Lanka refuses help from Israel

And tell me is Sri Lanka "people", or is it a country? Can you tell the difference?

Again, I don't take delight in their death, but I have no sympathy because their hatred runs deep.

Ah, that so very nice pronoun "their", yet again. *Their* hatred runs deep. You've looked deep into the souls of hundreds of millions of people in the whole region, and you've judged that in *all* of them, "their" hatred runs deep.

Collectivist.

Tom> Aris, if you don't want the world to know about you, then don't have your diary on-line and Item #3 in any Google search of your name.

I don't hide myself. The things I would hide, I'd make them private. Your stalking is creepy not because of the things you supposedly reveal (which as you say I've made public), but simply because you indulge in it.

An enemy taking photographs of your house and noting the times you come and go is creepy, even if your address isn't a secret, even if I don't go out of my way to hide any of those things. You are not a friend, Tom: So stop taking photos of my house -- stop monitoring my lj. You are being creepy.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 9:13:50 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:13:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 This is interesting:

Friday, May 21st, 2004 Time: 6:01 pm. * * * Speaking of politics, I partook in an exceptionally exhausting flamewar over at Rantburg, on Sunday. I think it's the first time in my life that I've ever been called a goatfucker. Or a communist for that matter. But even more annoying than that were the two-three times that people were asking me questions and were assuming in advance (and wrongly for that matter) that I wouldn't be able to answer.

I think my participation at Rantburg is swiftly approaching its end. It was useful as a source of hard information, but the fanatical idiocy there is way too rampant, and seems to be becoming worse with each passing week.

I don't know what to make of it, but it's interesting . . .

Posted by cingold 2004-12-28 9:15:59 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:15:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 And as a sidenote that also goes for google-searching my name. Dude! Could you be any more obsessed?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 9:16:14 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:16:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 How's this for a different idiotic statement: When he declared Chirac (personally!) the best friend that America ever had?

Sometimes diplomacy means saying "nice doggie" while looking for a rock. It doesn't necessarily mean you think the doggie is nice, or Chirac's a friend, or really imply anything about Putin's soul.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-12-28 9:18:09 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-12-28 9:18:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 And as a sidenote that also goes for google-searching my name. Dude! Could you be any more obsessed?

Maybe he's looking for the real Aris. I dunno.

Seriously, I've tried, on and off, to keep links to the weblogs of the major thread participants at Rantburg. This includes a link to your livejournal.

If you meant for your livejournal to be private, however, I could remove the link. What do you want me to do?

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-12-28 9:22:30 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-12-28 9:22:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 Another Joke:

"My Antivirus programs are several years old so no wonder they didn't catch this." -- Aris, March 16, 2004.

Punchline: Aris just got his masters in Computer Science.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 9:22:48 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:22:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 LOL Tom - nice catch..... heeeee heeee

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 9:27:01 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:27:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 As long as you don't harass me over it, Phil, like Tom does, I don't mind you reading anything I write.

Tom on the other hand has already declared himself an enemy however who tries to stalk me across the Internet to find any info he can to use against me -- even if I've made such info public, that still qualifies as "creepy" where I'm concerned.

I can easily make most of my livejournal private, except that several friends of mine don't have lj account and this would shut them out also. *shrug* Always an option, but it'd be annoying to be forced into doing.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 9:29:48 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:29:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 Stick with me, Frank G, and we can jolt him right out of his pirate fantasies.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 9:30:21 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:30:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Oy, vey. I've learned to ignore Frank, Tom, and I think I can just as easily learn to ignore you.

The change point is when I move from perceiving you as a vile adult to an annoying neighbour kid. An adult I can have rage and contempt for. The little kid that jumps all around me screaming "notice me, *please* notice me", I can take pity on -- but it's ignorable and fails to make me more than mildly annoyed.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 9:34:29 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:34:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Aris,

What about me, can you learn to ignore me? I love it when intolerent atheists like you, cries about intolerance.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 9:41:09 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:41:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 intolerant EUrocratic statist atheist..who proclaim moral superiority. Ignore or ignorance on your part is fine with me, Aris. As long as you troll here, I'll ride your ass like the absent Ãberfather you despair over

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 9:46:02 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:46:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Sorry, I'd rather be vile to you, Aris. I'm twice your age, I've had a real life, and I find you to be almost as pompous as Chirac. And like Chirac, you live in a fantasy world in which the President of the United States is a moron but you can spend your time in fantasy land and then come out and tell us how we should see the world. It's all so Arisified.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 9:47:24 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:47:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 Careful Frank, with that "ride your ass comment."

Aris is going to start replacing the letters "lj" with "bj".

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 9:50:34 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:50:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 Sorry, I'd rather be vile to you

Yeah, but it doesn't matter what you'd "rather" be. Yes, I've spent several days of my Christmas vacation playing computer games -- you think that's something I'll be ashamed of?

You're twice my age but that's only biologically, I'm afraid, if you're wasting your time digging through the journal of an insignificant person you despise.

Poison Reverse> What about me, can you learn to ignore me?

Awww, but *your* vileness isn't an issue of jumping around me and trying to annoy me, Poison Reverse.

And I didn't accuse you of "intolerance" Poison Reverse. I'm accusing you of having the soul of a genocidal murderer. You are an ideological enemy when Frank and Tom are merely brats who don't know what they are talking about. It took me a while to perceive Frank as one, but once the transition was made, it was easy enough for me.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 9:57:21 PM|| 2004-12-28 9:57:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 "I am Aris. I speak for all idiotarians everywhere and demand immediate complicity with my obviously superior, but highly nuanced as the situation demands(situational ethicality), sense of morality. I will prevail for I can sit at my computer longer and type more shit than anyone else alive. I am the Master of Self-Debate and can carry on both (or more) sides of a 'discussion' without assistance. Everyone else, once I have the bit between my teeth, is superfluous. Post, if you wish, derision, contempt, and insult. I will wear you down. Resistence is futile. You will be assimilated. My opinions are facts and I will prove it by the volume of opinion and invective available in my vast storehouse of (otherwise) useless drivel. As the most petty, pedantic, and obnoxious confirmed asshole ever to post on RB, including Boris and NMM, I have accumulated links on all of you - carefully spun to my advantage - and I will not debate your points, I will seek to overwhelm you with my shopworn bookmark organizational skills until you throw up your hands and go away in frustration. This venue is mine. This thread is mine. All your opinions are belong to me. They are inferior for I am the gratest of the grates: I am Aris The Grate."
[hat tip to .com]

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 10:01:33 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:01:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 thanks Aris :-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 10:07:04 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:07:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 Actually I *wish* I had accumulated links on all of you, but alas the thing .com despised instead was the fact that I had enough memory cells to remember what had been spoken and then wasted some of my time to bring up relevant quotes and links when a person would lie about me or be self-contradictory.

Facts always got in the way of a good anti-Aris bash session, after all.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 10:07:26 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:07:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 "I'm accusing you of having the soul of a genocidal murderer"

I little while ago, you called me Osama, now you are calling me Hitler. Make up your mind John Kerry. Stop flip-flopping.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:07:50 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:07:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 Here, Aris, you've earned it.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 10:12:50 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:12:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 Osama is also a genocidal murderer, you Einstein you. You may be surprised to know that Hitler has not been the only person in the history of the world to have deserved the title "genocidal murderer".

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 10:12:51 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:12:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 "Facts always got in the way of a good anti-Aris bash session, after all"

sung to the tune of "poor poor pitiful me" Ronstadt or Zevon versions...

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 10:13:29 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:13:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 Poison Reverse is from Texas, so he must be a genocidal murderer. Isn't that right, Airass Crapsaris?

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 10:26:02 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:26:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 Aris,

"Genocidal murderer" means planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group NOT religious group, you Einstein you. Osama is killing in the name of religion. He doesn't care which race he kills.

BTW, Why are you using the name Einstein? You do know that he was a strong believer in God, he was Jewish. Oh, that's right, aethist contributions to the world, are null. Therefore, there aren't any atheists you can reference. What an opportunist.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:27:12 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:27:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 Unlike several people here, I'm not a bigot, Tom. I didn't even know that Poison Reverse is from Texas, nor would I care.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 10:27:35 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:27:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 Poison Reverse = Hitler.
Bush = Hitler.
Posion Reverse = Bush????
Happy new year, Mr. President.

Posted by jackal 2004-12-28 10:34:12 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2004-12-28 10:34:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 jackal,
Crawford Ranch is not that far away.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:38:28 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:38:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 Boigot: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.

You're a bigot, Aris, on a global scale.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 10:40:19 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:40:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 I see my posts are currently being relocated to the sink trap. I've already stated that if Fred wishes me away from this site, he need only ask: I always respect the wishes of a forum's creator. So this is a request to Fred to clarify the issue -- am I allowed in Rantburg or not?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 10:42:53 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:42:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 Aris wants to know if masochism is okay here.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 10:46:15 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:46:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 Yes, that's exactly right. Trying to post (like providing multiple quotes by Einstein showing he had declared himself an atheist) again sent my comments to sinktrap. So I want to know what the deal is with that.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 10:49:29 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:49:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 the google ref dumbass

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 10:50:07 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:50:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 Really? I didn't know google refs caused that automatically. Very well: reposting without that:

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national, racial, political, or ethnic group NOT religious group

Wrong again. "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

BTW, Why are you using the name Einstein? You do know that he was a strong believer in God, he was Jewish.

Even if it had been true, so?

But actually even though ethnically a Jewish, religiously he was an atheist, exactly like Asimov was.

Here's a quote from Einstein
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being."

Also this:
"Thus I came--despite the fact I was the son of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents--to a deep religiosity, which, however, found an abrupt ending at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived...Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude... has never left me..."

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. "

Therefore, there aren't any atheists you can reference.

LOL! Yeah, right. Einstein, Asimov, Carl Sagan. No atheists whatsoever I can reference.

jackal> Just to make it clear, I've never called Bush "Hitler".

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 10:52:34 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:52:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 Aris,

Instead of trying to find out if Einstein was a atheist or not, why don't admit that YOUR definition of genocidal murderer was, wrong. Or am I supposed to bow to you, even though you are wrong, your LLL-ness.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:55:15 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:55:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 Gave you the official definition of "genocide". Don't care if you choose to accept facts or not -- I know you won't.

And it's rather amusing when it was *you* who made such a fuss about Einstein being a supposedly deep believer in God, that you now choose to disregard the issue as insignificant.

I didn't "try to find out" if Einstein was an atheist or not -- I already knew he was. What I did was provide the quotes that proved it.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 11:00:36 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:00:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 What is this "current convention" nonsense? What are you, king of the world, making up your own definitions?

As far as the (supposedly accurate) quotes from Einstein, why don't you reference the link. How do I know that you didn't get these quotes from a Roooters article.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 11:01:02 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:01:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 Google for them, idiot boy. There are a hundred different references. I won't copy paste all of them.

As for the "current convention", that's the United Nations' definitions, a convention which was signed as well by the United States government, ratified by the US Senate in in 1986-FEB-11, implemented by Reagan on 1988-NOV-25.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 11:07:47 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:07:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 stolen from another post by Tipper:
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING GREEK
1.You get to shout about your culture although the only real culture most Greeks have is what is growing between their toes. 2.The police are even more corrupt than the criminals they are supposed to be chasing.
3.You can blow your nose in the street by pinching it between the thumb and forefinger and trumpeting forth without everyone around wretching their stomach contents up at the sight.
4.Old women can sport moustaches.
5.Young women can sport moustaches.
6.Men can be hairier than the average grizzly bear and not get put in a zoo.
7.You get to call the bouzouki a musical instrument when the rest of the world sees it as an instrument of torture.
8.You are the only nation to have lost its marbles and still wants to let everyone else around the world know about it.
9.Ridiculous bureaucracy.
10.Nana Mouskouri and Demis Roussos.

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 11:14:45 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:14:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 a little bigotry for our EU bigot - nite nite, aris

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 11:17:06 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:17:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 Aris,

I didn't ask you for the links, not because I don't have the capability to do research, idiot boy. I have already studied the history of Einstein, idiot boy. I just wanted to make sure that you were not using some twisted atheist web source, for your twisted propaganda, idiot boy.

Einstein ended up not believing in a "personal God" because he could not understand how God could allow suffering, it had nothing to do with science issues. He had personal issues with God. He ended up believing in a cosmic God in his scienctific reasearch. Then he realized what a big mistake he made, stating that there was no God. Therefore, he is not an atheist.

"In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. **He said** this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. Of course, the results of Edwin Hubble confirmed that the universe was expanding and had a beginning at some point in the past. So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God"--more at only "one of my many" links

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 11:36:33 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:36:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 I'm curious why Aris's comments were sent to the Sinktrap. They seem proper. Could the editor explain?

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-12-28 11:39:54 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:39:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#80 BTW,

The "current convention" of genocide is not in the dictionary, idiot boy. Unlike you, I give sources, idiot boy. Look at the links below, see if you can find word "religion," idiot boy.

Definition Source 2

Definition Source 2

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 11:46:48 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:46:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#81 I just wanted to make sure that you were not using some twisted atheist web source

Yeah, you were just being all noble and stuff.

"it had nothing to do with science issues. "

*shrug* Who cares? If anything it's even better, as it makes his disbelief a moral choice instead of a piece of intellectual reasoning.

So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God"

Which essentially means that Einstein's god *doesn't* cause earthquakes and doesn't have the power to avert them. I have no objection to such a god either.

Einstein's deism is for all practical purposes atheism in disguise. It doesn't allow miracles, it doesn't allow an interference by God into human affairs, it doesn't place God as the center of morality, it doesn't allow for immortality of the soul.

To that extent Einstein was even less of a believer in God than me, since I have no inherent disbelief in either the immortality of the soul or even a God that interferes to a small extent.

Anyway your lie about knowing Einstein's history, Poison Reverse, is revealed by the fact you used the phrase "he was Jewish" in talking about Einstein's *religion*. Had you known squat about Einstein you'd have know that though ethnically Jewish, this had nothing to do with his religious beliefs.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 11:50:04 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:50:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#82 Mike> Seems it was the google ref about the definition of genocide which I had offered to idiot boy. Instead of telling him to just google for the definition of genocide, I had offered a link that'd let him do that automatically.

Not sure why this was necessary: have trolls used google refs in the past?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 11:54:40 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:54:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#83 Such a long paragraph to admit that you were wrong. I love it. Liberals do the same thing in the U.S., all the time.

BTW, I didn't mean that he was a believer in God, because he was Jewish. I am just simply stating the fact that he was Jewish. I guess I really do know squat, about Einstein.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 11:56:30 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:56:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#84 Wrong about what? Einstein called himself an atheist, not a deist. That's still a fact.

People that can't stomach Einstein's own declaration for his own atheism, have attempted to say "Oh, no he wasn't an atheist, he was a deist instead". Big difference for them, since Atheism is supposed to be all evil and stuff, while deism is a bit palatable.

But "deism" is not a word that Einstein ever used to refer to himself -- Einstein used the word "atheist" instead.

Where I'm concerned it makes no real diff.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-12-28 11:59:58 PM|| 2004-12-28 11:59:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#85 Aris,
Don't worry about your link that went to the sink trap. I have posted the definition link on post #80.

Nite, Nite. Your are soundly defeated once again. You are going to need bigger intellectual weapons, if your going to come against this proud American.

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