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2003-11-20 Arabia

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Posted by Anonon 2003-11-20 3:31:08 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I don't think the rest of the world understands SNAFU... except the Brits and Aussies.
"The Americans have problems! Hold the presses!"
Bah. American history is a continuous story of things being screwed up.

What sets us apart is that we admit it.

Posted by Dishman 2003-11-20 5:08:44 AM|| 2003-11-20 5:08:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 you make a very poor argument,
there are clearly no weapons of WMD despite what you "believe". If the US military with all it satellites and technology can't find em, they ain't there. Can't be bothered to argue the rest of your uneducated, insular carping

Posted by JoeyBananas 2003-11-20 5:50:54 AM|| 2003-11-20 5:50:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Awwww, that hurt Joey.

Have a cookie.

Posted by Shipman 2003-11-20 7:40:07 AM|| 2003-11-20 7:40:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 there are clearly no weapons of WMD

What was that Kay said the other day about "Alpha" and "Charlie"?

If the US military with all it satellites and technology can't find em, they ain't there.

By that standard, none of the following exist:

o Osama bin Laden
o Saddam Hussein
o Marijuana plants in California

Then there's the assumption that "satellites and technology" make you omniscient...

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-11-20 8:09:37 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-11-20 8:09:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 "Even if occupiers think they are doing good, they will always be bad in the eyes of the people of the occupied territory. Hence, it is obvious that Iraqis will not like Americans. "

This is a nice tight expression of perhaps the key anti-war meme around. Note that there is NO - repeat NO - citation of ANY info from within Iraq to support the notion that Iraqis oppose the occupation (and lets not be naive, they could find SOME) This is an a priori, deductive line of reasoning, not an empirical one. All occupations are hated by the occupied, ERGO the Iraqis MUST hate the occupation - no need to get confused by facts on the ground - the deductive argument is considered so powerful that any contradictory observations from Iraq must be incorrect. That is why to a considerable extent the antiwar and prowar points of view on Iraq simply talk past each other - one is arguing from inductive reasoning, one from deductive reasoning.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-11-20 9:08:09 AM|| 2003-11-20 9:08:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Pardon - he does LATER cite one quote expressing hostility to the occupation - but its clear that he's made his determination based on the deductive argument, the quote is just to add punch.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-11-20 9:09:58 AM|| 2003-11-20 9:09:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 JoeyBananas - great name, you hit it dead on!

You reference to tech and satellites is very flawed, technology isn't everything. The United States, contrary to what people like you try and make us out to be, the US is not perfect. The weapons in question are not nukes in hardened silos, but something that can be created in most high school chem labs. Very easily hidden and destroyed with cleaning chemicals.

Plus there was activity, prior and during the war, detected by our TECHNOLOGY of convoys of trucks heading for Syria and Lebannon.

But bottom line - if Saddam did not have these weapons he should not of acted (threatened) like he did.

History does prove he did have these type of weapons and that his military knew how to use them. Do you need an history lesson (very recent history) as to when and how he used them?

And if you cannot be bothered why post? As for the uneducated you should go back to grammar school, last I knew 'em' is not a word.

Posted by Dan 2003-11-20 11:33:47 AM|| 2003-11-20 11:33:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 See "Polls" section of the Coalition Provisional Authority website: http://www.cpa-iraq.org/

Posted by Vlad the Muslim Impaler 2003-11-20 12:25:41 PM|| 2003-11-20 12:25:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 JB how's the Rantburg education coming along? I've noted a certain reasonableness... :)

Posted by Shipman 2003-11-20 4:27:06 PM|| 2003-11-20 4:27:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 meh. not news. thought this was news only site..

Posted by A 2003-11-20 6:43:15 PM|| 2003-11-20 6:43:15 PM|| Front Page Top

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