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2003-12-09 Arabia

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-12-09 15:11|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 So Islam is moving from out-and-out slavery to "separate-but-almost-equal". Progress of a sort.

Posted by Mercutio 2003-12-9 3:57:17 PM|| 2003-12-9 3:57:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 SA needs a sex based 2nd Amendment.

Posted by Shipman 2003-12-9 4:11:54 PM|| 2003-12-9 4:11:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 "The core of the problem is that ... Most men have real problems in treating women ~~as anything other than slaves~~ with respect." The Saudis do not see that the image they create of sex-crazed gorillas whose urges are held in check only by fanaticism and aparthied is subhuman. Or maybe they're right?

It Doesn't Take A Hero briefly mentions the culture shock of armed women (US Army MP's) wandering in the souks. Unfortunately Norm's too diplomatic to go into detail.

My apologies to any gorillas in the audience for this smear.

Posted by Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-9 5:51:20 PM|| 2003-12-9 5:51:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Fred, the author seems to be on your side. Don't mock him because he's living in the hell hole that he seems to know; I think that he's trying to say the same thing you're saying...
-Vic

Posted by Vic 2003-12-9 6:47:56 PM|| 2003-12-9 6:47:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 My point - sometimes I'm too subtle - is that the root of the problem lies with their lack of self-control in all areas. Somebody doesn't agree on a point of religion, they declare him apostate and try to kill him. A woman shows an ankle or, God forbid, a bit of cleavage, raping her becomes "understandable." It's not a problem of religion, it's a problem of culture. It perceives as a problem of religion because the religion's grounded in the culture.

They're taking baby steps toward the 20th century, and I mean the 20th, not the 21st. They should be encouraged, except when they decide to backslide by indulging their clerics or trying to work deals with their gunnies. At the same time, we didn't put them in the early Middle Ages - they stayed there themselves. They've been making serious efforts for less than six months. Words of encouragement are appropriate, but I'm still not really sure about their sincerity. Arabia's not really known as the home of sincerity...

Posted by Fred 2003-12-9 7:13:16 PM|| 2003-12-9 7:13:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I'd suggest it's a direct result of their loser culture and the fact that their men must subjugate and denigrate women because when they try that shit with real men (i.e.: non-arabs) they get their asses kicked (see for reference all Israeli-Arab wars)

Posted by Frank G 2003-12-9 10:11:22 PM|| 2003-12-9 10:11:22 PM|| Front Page Top

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