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2004-02-11 Iraq-Jordan

Jihadiâs diary gives the US insight into Iraq insurgency

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-02-11 12:35:49 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 All this points out just how important it's going to be to upgrade, equip and train the Iraqi Border Guard. I was fine with the flypaper strategy last year but it's time to seal the borders and get some control.

Posted by Steve White 2004-2-11 12:48:05 AM|| 2004-2-11 12:48:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Flypaper, from the fly's perspective.

Fighting us must be like fighting the Borg--"our tactics no longer work Achmed, they've assimilated them!!! What now---urk?"

Posted by N Guard 2004-2-11 8:16:19 AM|| 2004-2-11 8:16:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 "He was a poor Saudi guy without a lot of prospects... He started out wanting to help other Muslims, and it evolved into this jihad."

I think this is actually very sad. Too bad the guy didn't find Christianity instead of jihad. I'm beginning to understand why Christian nations have fared so much better than the Muslim ones...they provided education, faith, hope and charity instead of jihad.

Nevertheless...this made me lol!
"Flypaper, from the fly's perspective"

Posted by B 2004-2-11 8:41:53 AM|| 2004-2-11 8:41:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 One got out of the car with a pistol and was gunned down. Another pulled out a grenade, which detonated, killing him. Hussen survived.

I take it this is not their "A" team...

Posted by tu3031 2004-2-11 10:24:26 AM|| 2004-2-11 10:24:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Actually, from the Islamic Blame Society's POV, this guy's progression from point A to point B makes sense...

(Please pardon my pedantic tone in the following...)

When combined with a few other aspects, such as the fact that the currently passive Muslims always defer to the jihadis (yes, they do) and the "We're all Muslims first..." mantra (taught from birth), it demonstrates rather clearly (to anyone paying attention) the Myth of the Moderate Muslim... The group-think of Islam via deference to the Mullahs (who are dominated by the jihadi view, thanks to the Saudi-Wahhabi money), the whole religious society of Islam as practiced and taken in toto, means we will eventually have to fight or subjugate them all. They cannot be placated... and they are divided only momentarily - until the Mullahs can spread the word and reinforce the Muslim Mantra.

As for successfully dealing with them, we have to drop our own views out of the equation completely. A good example of our dilemma is the Clinton model of tossing a cruise missile at them. It is a useless gesture, though in his mind he obviously thought this would be very skeery to them, cuz the idea apparently was frightening to him. Pfool. Let's not repeat such idiocy.

What matters is how they think - and that means we have to be very selective about who is leading our fight and who is involved in our planning and strategy. The most dangerous problem for the West is the quaint, but very common and amazingly persistent, notion that we're all the same underneath. No, we're not. Not even close. It's called indoctrination - and they do a much more thorough job of it than anyone else I've ever come across. Bush gets it. Clinton and his precessors as well as the current crop of Presidential wannabees (with the likely exception of McCain) did not and do not.

I don't fear them - or the fight that has begun - I fear one thing: overconfidence that Bush will be re-elected. He is the key to doing this right on the first pass.

Posted by .com 2004-2-11 10:35:20 AM|| 2004-2-11 10:35:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 .com -- there are moderate Muslims, but they are scared to death -- and for good reason. In all Islamic leagal schools the penalty for apostacy is death, and any sign of moderation (for example, believing in the separation of mosque and state)is going to be viewed as apostacy by the jihadis. Question: can we reach out to, and make common cause with, moderate Muslims? I'm not
sure -- but it does seem vitally important. In the long run, what I really fear is "demographic jihad." The average woman in Yemen has more than 7 children.

Posted by closet neo-con 2004-2-11 11:49:11 AM|| 2004-2-11 11:49:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 closet - excellent response. The key is that, when in the presence of jihadis or even knowing there will be a future meeting, the closet Muslim moderate will do what he / she thinks is expected of him / her by the jihadis. They fear them far more than us, because we play by civilized rules. Islam's rules are something else, as you pointed out: apostasy = death.

In repsonse to your question, I will say that there's nothing to reach out to. If you can tell me how to make this happen, using the logic of their indoctrination, I'll be ecstatic to hear it.

I currently believe they will have to do the reaching out. Will it come of their own volition? Not so far. Perhaps, and this won't sit well with you, I presume, they will reach out when they fear us as much or more than their insane jihadis.

We didn't invent Islam and its remarkably self-propagating dogma - which is specifically and logically tuned to achieve Islam's goal of World Dominion. We don't stop them from reaching out to us. We don't control their Imams who foment new jihadis. We don't run their dictatorships which impoverish them and leave many of their young men with no choices because they have no future. We don't run a charity system which promotes overpopulation to augment and intensify the no future demographics, thus producing more jihadi fodder. And, lastly, we didn't attack them - they attacked us.

We have been under attack diplomatically and economically via Saudi Sunnis since '73 when we resupplied Israel and were punished with the oil embargo. The Shi'a joined the game in '79 - when we became The Great Satan - resulting in a unified Islam vs. the US. We didn't create the direct confrontation, they did. They will have to stop it. I am afraid the only way is for us to give them the biggest reason available to do so: the "or else" option of annihilation.

Posted by .com 2004-2-11 1:06:14 PM|| 2004-2-11 1:06:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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