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2004-04-13 -Short Attention Span Theater-

~~Hog Poop~~ Pig Manure Can Become Crude Oil

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Posted by Lux 2004-04-13 8:32:16 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "...crude oil that could be refined to heat homes or generate electricity..." There's the catch: it can't be refined with conventional large-scale (i.e. economical) processes, and it has to be refined before it goes into my small engines or my furnace. Sorry, Zhang, but I'm afraid you lose out to the guys who are putting it into anaerobic digesters and making useful methane and fertilizer. And their processes work for dairy and chicken wastes too. Unfortunately, the payback is 15-20 years, so this is mostly just academic thesis stuff except to the extent it is used to control odors and run-off.

Posted by Tom 2004-04-13 9:03:57 AM|| 2004-04-13 9:03:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "Pig Manure Can Become Crude Oil"

So . . . that means we can drill for oil in the comment threads at democraticunderground.com?

Posted by Mike 2004-04-13 9:16:17 AM|| 2004-04-13 9:16:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Horse manure fuels our energy policy, delivered by (what else?) horse's asses, so it is fitting that pig manure should provide the thing itself. Too bad about the practicality angle.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-13 10:01:08 AM|| 2004-04-13 10:01:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 This story gets recycled on a regular basis and SDB debunct it about a year back. Go search his archives. Even it works and it is both economically and energy viable, it doesn't scale. There aren't enough pigs even in China to make a difference to energy supply.

Posted by Phil B 2004-04-13 10:12:29 AM|| 2004-04-13 10:12:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Yeah Phil B it was turkey manure last time.

Posted by Shipman 2004-04-13 10:16:46 AM|| 2004-04-13 10:16:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Zhang predicted that one day a reactor the size of a home furnace could process the manure generated by 2,000 hogs at a cost of about $10 per barrel.

It would be nice if the guy gave us a number on the cost per barrel on an experimental basis. If it was $30 a barrel, then they're borderline competitive with OPEC. If it's $100 a barrel, then it's at little more than the talking shop stages.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-04-13 10:52:27 AM|| 2004-04-13 10:52:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Turkey guts to oil isn't an internet myth, they're producing 500BBL/day in Missouri with another plant under construction in Italy.
http://www.changingworldtech.com/pdf/GenConfLasVegas3_3_04.pdf
The $20M plant produces 500BBL/day, but they don't give any information on financial performance. But then, they were paying to dispose of the waste. They say that old tires, pc's, municipal waste or any other organic material can be used. Assuming no economies of scale, that runs about $390 billion to replace our total oil imports,or roughly 3-1/2 years of oil import payments at current prices. That price tag is less than the cost of implementing Kyoto. The middle east has less than 20 years to invent a real economy.

Posted by Anonymous4132 2004-04-13 11:52:39 AM|| 2004-04-13 11:52:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 That explains Haliburton's recent interest in purchasing 500 Iowa hog farms...

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-04-13 12:10:30 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-04-13 12:10:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 muck4chainey ?

Posted by Lux 2004-04-13 12:11:56 PM|| 2004-04-13 12:11:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 oh please oh please...so what if it takes multiple pigs X 10 to make enough poop. We have multiple pigs X 10 pooping every day anyway.

don't you SEE the beautiful irony in this??? We can tell the Arab world to leave their oil where the sun don't shine....we don't need YOU...pig poop is more important to us than you are.

It would just be the ultimate FU.

Posted by B 2004-04-13 5:31:37 PM|| 2004-04-13 5:31:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 lux it sound more like chainey4doo.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-04-13 6:37:10 PM|| 2004-04-13 6:37:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I know that there have been experiments to turn hog waste into methane using "digesters" but oil is a new slant. If the waste to oil thesis works--lookout NC and Iowa will be the next Saudi LOL

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2004-04-13 9:44:08 PM|| 2004-04-13 9:44:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by mhw TROLL 2004-04-13 9:50:42 PM|| 2004-04-13 9:50:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 there was an article in Discovery on this issue last year...

there are many industrial sized operations in the US that generate more than 1000 tons of pig, chicken or cattle manure per day

like NMmoore, I think a lot of methane operations already exist but they are still somewhat primitive, require lots of land for the methane processing and do not reduce the disposal problem enough

Posted by mhw 2004-04-13 9:50:42 PM|| 2004-04-13 9:50:42 PM|| Front Page Top

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