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2004-04-27 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2004-04-27 11:13:10 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is this guy nuts? Islam will be the death of Europe, as it has been for every other civilization it has overrun. These people don't want to progress from the Middle Ages. In fact, they probably think the Middle Ages are a bit too complex.

Posted by Infidel Bob 2004-04-27 12:12:04 PM|| 2004-04-27 12:12:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 well there's an optimist for ya! Talk about finding a silver lining in a dark cloud.

Of course, I suppose it all depends on which side you look at it. If you look at it as a European who enjoyed the fruits of a free and modern society of the year 2000, perhaps reverting back to ...oh say the 17th Century...in order to pull your Muslim commrades up from the 13th Century - isn't such a great deal.

but hey! Like this says, no need to see the glass half-empty.

Posted by B 2004-04-27 1:21:32 PM|| 2004-04-27 1:21:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 The dangers of this are many, the benefits few. I think one of the problems with Islam is that you don't necessarily have to be more religious, you just have to do what the book tells you. Christianity and Judiasm have both gotten past that point, but Islam is still more about the letter than the spirit - and the letter is what's going to take us down unless we smash its world-covering ideals here and now. We allow them, but - well, Bernard Lewis said it best in The Crisis of Islam:

"The democrats are of course at a disadvantage. Their ideology requires them, even when in power, to give freedom and rights to the Islamist opposition. The Islamists, when in power, are under no such obligation. On the contrary, their principles require them to supress what they see as impious and subversive activities. For Islamists, democracy . . . is a one-way road, on which there is no return, no rejection of the sovereignty of God, as exercised through His chosen representatives. Their electoral policy has been classically summarized as 'One man (men only), one vote, once.'"

And that's what Europe gets to face.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-04-27 3:24:56 PM|| 2004-04-27 3:24:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 The comparisons with US emigration show how uninformed this fellow is. Until recently the US made a pretty strong effort to assimilate our immigrants. As each wave came in the wave before it disappeared into the collective American culture.

In Europe they had guest worker programs and other dodges to keep the immigrants seperate hoping I suppose that they would eventually leave when they earned enough money and the host country no longer needed them. So Germany has third generation immigrant Turks and Kurds who are not German citizens. In France the Algerians-French are all French citizens but they stay in enclaves away from the population. This is the worst-case scenerio and nothing like the US experience.

If Europe wanted to revitalize themselves because of the aging crisis they should be forcing immigrants to become European, not changing European ways to accomidate immigrants.

Posted by ruprecht 2004-04-27 3:41:48 PM|| 2004-04-27 3:41:48 PM|| Front Page Top

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