Article

2004-05-31 Home Front: Culture Wars

Gay supporters denied communion at Chicago Mass

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-05-31 13:38|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sad thing is that the Church will be accused of playing politics, when its people wearing sashes and bringing politics to the Liturgy who are the ones REALLY playing politics. Especially when the Archbishop has issued a ruling about this very thing.

For your information, homosexuality is NOT a disqualifier. But if you are homosexual and not celibate, (i.e. not chaste for your status of your life) then you are not eligible for Communion, and should not ask for it. Same goes for those who are single and engaging in sex outside of marriage. Same for those using contraception, even inside of marriage. Its a "don't ask" policy - with a "do tell" between the recipient and God or a priest if they decide to confess and repent.

As an Extraordainary Minister of the Holy Communion, its not up to me to deny the Eucharist to anyone, unless *I* know that they should not receive it. This includes those too young, those not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church, and those who have publicly (to my knowledge) placed themselves outside of the Church, are unrepentant about it, and continue to act contrary to the morals of the Church. If I knowingly give communion to someone who is disqualified, then its on me and a stain upon my soul for which I need to ask forgiveness and do contrition. If they are lying about their condition when they recieve (they knowingly are disqualified, and yet they come up and ask without informing me or the priest or deacon), that is between them and God.

To date, I have yet to deny Holy Eucharist to anyone that has come up in Mass and presented themselves for communion. I have few doubts that I may have administered the Eucharist to some who should not have had it, but that is something for which God will judge them, not me.

These people wearing the sashes, and actively and publicly campainging and practicing a "gay" lifestyle have willingly placed themselves outside the Moral bounds of the Church. They should not expect Communion, nor shoudl they expect the Church members to accept them any more than we would somone wearing a Pro-Death-Penalty banner, or an unrepentant active abortionist.

I don't see them protesting in the Southern Baptist Churches, or the Pentacostals, attempting to force them to change. Why Catholics? Probably because Catholics are one of the last groups its ok in the US to be bigoted about, in addition to evangelical Christians or white males over 30. So either they are being cynical about targeting the Catholic Church or, they do believe that the Catholic Church has the path to God but are unwilling to take up the burden of belief and stay on the straight and narrow.

There is no easy way out if you truly believe. Salvation is NOT the easy road. You give up a lot in this world. Some people (especially those in the article) have failed to recognize this.

If you do not believe, then you should not be there unless you are hontestly trying to overcome your unbelief. There is a legitimate and welcome place for non-believers who wish to believe - or believers who doubt. Mark 9 'I do believe! Help my unbelief!'

But the sort of thing that is going on in the article, it smacks more of political showboating instead of an honest attempt to reconcile themselves to the Church and God.

Place the blame where it belongs. If you truly want to be Catholic, you will believe and practice the precepts - you will keep honest to the oath you make every time you attend mass, the recitation of the Creed (I Believe...). If you do not believe ALL that is in the Creed and at least attempt honestly to practice, then you should go to another Church - Protestantism has many sects willing to accomodate you. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that - and the Catholic Church recognizes in the spirit of ecuminism that there are other (lesser) Christian paths to God and not to condemn them. But outsiders should stop trying to force the Roman Catholic Church to do your bidding in contradiction to the magisterum and central tenets of the holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-05-31 3:43:07 PM|| 2004-05-31 3:43:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Adultery ya say.

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-31 3:57:37 PM|| 2004-05-31 3:57:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Yep - adultery. Which, by the way, is still a criminal offense under the UCMJ.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-05-31 6:19:22 PM|| 2004-05-31 6:19:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Oops pressed post too soon.

Its just a matter of choice and whether you choose to accept it. Although in the military there is no choice.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-05-31 6:21:03 PM|| 2004-05-31 6:21:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 OS - the Church is not against the Death Penalty, recognizing society's right to self-defense IIRC

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-31 6:35:33 PM|| 2004-05-31 6:35:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Once again, gay activists trying to force their lifstyle onto, well, everything.

I really don't care what people do with each other of their own free will. I'll tolerate it, but I don't accept it as normal.

Simple biology (not even getting into religion) tells us that homosexuality is abnormal. It is a genetic defect. It doesn't mean that gays should be shunned or hated or denied basic freedoms. But don't try to act like it is normal.

Posted by Les Nessman 2004-05-31 7:04:48 PM|| 2004-05-31 7:04:48 PM|| Front Page Top

15:05 jules 187
14:23 jules 187
08:56 Anonymous4617
05:58 rkb
05:48 JFM
05:13 Phil B
03:22 Zenster
03:21 Mike Sylwester
03:19 Mike Sylwester
01:15 Tresho
01:11 .com
01:06 Phil B
00:26 Mark Espinola
00:21 Tresho
00:12 Tresho
00:05 Atomic Conspiracy
00:05 Desert Blondie
23:56 Zenster
23:48 Anonymous4617
23:48 Zenster
23:46 Tresho
23:37 Phil B
23:36 The Doctor
23:33 Zenster