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2004-06-18 China-Japan-Koreas

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Posted by .com 2004-06-18 5:19:01 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Golden Dragon HS still gotta get by Nippon New Tech in the quarters finals tho and they historically have had problems dealing with them and have never won an away match.

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-18 10:23:55 AM|| 2004-06-18 10:23:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 ...But you can't ignore old favorite Communist Martyrs HS either. Good solid record, just a few off seasons, that's all.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-06-18 10:57:25 AM|| 2004-06-18 10:57:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Listen to Principal Poop. He has the answers.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 12:11:30 PM|| 2004-06-18 12:11:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I'll repeat: China is the real terrorist.

Islam is merely a rather conspicuous religous convulsion. China's continual undermining of other world economies through intentional trade deficits, government sanctioned intellectual property theft and product counterfeiting pose a more significant long term threat to global prosperity.

If China does not install government by elected representation, they must be sanctioned. World health organizations must not divert a single penny's worth of medical aid for China to help them with the world's largest medically caused AIDS crisis.

As with North Korea, any money we spend on China is merely that much more capital freed up for them to spend on weapons. The west must demand trade equity with China or have the courage to shut off all trade with them. Sadly, too many American politicians are bought and paid for by China to ever permit the United States to take such an intelligent measure.

China's overheated economy is headed for a gigantic crash. Some US$200,000,000,000 in bad bank debt is just now coming home to roost. As government run hyper-inefficient and incompetently managed industries are shutting down, millions of Chinese workers will be displaced. These citizens have just recently gotten a taste of western style properity. Do not think that they will give up any hope of it willingly just because their corrupt leadership refuses to fart through anything less than silk.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 1:20:34 PM|| 2004-06-18 1:20:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh, I left out the part about China proliferating nuclear technology to wonderful little mullah infested backwaters like IRAN!

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 1:21:59 PM|| 2004-06-18 1:21:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Zen - I believe your closing thoughts suggest that the bastard commie-capitalist monstrosity currently in power is not long for this world.

IMHO, that is the real answer to the bulk of your (and my) objections: removal of the "communist" regime. Nor I would shed tears if there was sufficient regional unrest to arise resulting in the breakup of this far-from-homogenous behemoth - which might not be a far-fetched idea.

Chiner? Are you out there? If so, can you address this thread with your first-hand experiences?

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 1:38:56 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/Rummy_Civil_Defense.jpg] 2004-06-18 1:38:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 IMHO, that is the real answer to the bulk of your (and my) objections: removal of the "communist" regime. Nor I would shed tears if there was sufficient regional unrest to arise resulting in the breakup of this far-from-homogenous behemoth - which might not be a far-fetched idea.

.com, I certainly hope so, but America should have the intestinal fortitude to pull the plug on trade with China. There is no way in H-E-Double Toothpicks that any other country or group of countries could absorb that much idled Chinese manufacturing capacity. Their economy would implode in less than a ~~month~~ year and we could bend them over a bushel of bok choy to show them how it's done in the West.

We need to midwife their downfall before those morons in Europe begin selling them the advanced weapon systems they're drooling over in their sleep. It was a deep personal pleasure to finally see China's military get a good pucker factor going when they realized that their precious Three Gorges Project is also a huge strategic target.

We need to covertly arm Taiwan with whatever conventional weapons it takes to ensure their ability to break that dam wide open. China's constant belligerence is not just tiresome, it is something that needs to be openly thwarted. If they breath their own exhaust long enough, they'll begin to believe it themselves, just like Iran.

These b@stards need to be stopped in a hurry. As if North Korea wasn't a picture perfect bellwether of what's to come from their meddling, we now have the exact same ploy happening in Iran. All courtesy of China. They need to be slapped down hard and fast.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 2:04:17 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:04:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 yes china is a def threat - and we as a nation are helping her along by buying all those very cheap and cheaply made products from our wallmarts and 99 cent stores...sooner or later we will wake..i hope..

Posted by Dan 2004-06-18 3:27:16 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:27:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 and we as a nation are helping her along by buying all those very cheap and cheaply made products from our wallmarts and 99 cent stores...sooner or later we will wake..i hope..

Just one more reason to not shop at Wal-Mart. As a capitalist, I usually promote whatever gives business or consumers the best functional model. I am not fond of how Wal-Marts tend to hollow out small business communities, but I also dislike restraint of trade.

Where I draw the line is that Wal-Mart alone represents 10% of our trade deficit with China. That's right, US$12,000,000,000 out of the 127 billion deficit. Wal-Mart needs to be boycotted so long as they help China gain economic ascendancy.

I wonder how many Americans realize that by shopping at Wal-Mart, they assist in eliminating economic opportunity here in the United States. This is something that needs a lot more publicity than it is getting.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 4:10:16 PM|| 2004-06-18 4:10:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I still don't understand how our military leaders are projecting that the Chinese will execute an opposed amphibious landing on Taiwan. While the PRC could certainly nuke Taiwan into oblivion, I'm not sure how that would do anything but ruin China itself.
After the WOT is completed we could crumple China the same way that Ronnie broke the Soviet Union.

As for the trade deficit, there are plenty of easier ways to stoke our economic engines without worrying about where the laundry hampers in Walmart are manufactured. Most of items that are manufactured on China are commodity-type junk. What little margin there is comes from underpaying labor - not a recipe for a popular government. Here is a link to one simple plan to changes the mathematics of economics. A flat tax will work. Privatizing 10% of incoming social security payments as a 401K is another way to stoke the economy (a requirement that a percentage of that investment be in municipal bonds might also prevent all our bridges from collapsing as well.)
Flat Tax, Vat Tax or eliminate the Death Tax would also be helpful. We can do any of these just as soon as Americans decide to turn a deaf ear to class-warfare arguments and take a risk.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-18 11:07:41 PM|| 2004-06-18 11:07:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 SH - a successful amphib landing would only occur with a capitulating Taiwan - ergo the PRC efforts to bully, scare, infiltrate, and isolate

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-18 11:12:12 PM|| 2004-06-18 11:12:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Most Chinese Empires either imploded or were pushed into history after decades of internal corruption. While everyone is projecting the potential Chinese threat to others, like the former Soviet Union, they ignor the internal dynamics which also threaten the existing state as well. Like the former USSR, too many assume that it is a well oil and focused technical government machine. It ain't.

Posted by Don 2004-06-19 12:04:51 AM|| 2004-06-19 12:04:51 AM|| Front Page Top

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