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2004-09-09 Terror Networks

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Posted by Mike 2004-09-09 1:11:29 PM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It matters, but it doesn't matter. All another one of these attacks is going to do is get Americans more determined than ever to stop these people. A thousand Beslan's couldn't destroy these United States. But it could lead to the mass deportation of Muslims to their ancestral lands.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-09-09 2:06:38 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2004-09-09 2:06:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 If the authorities could keep them alive that long.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-09 2:10:30 PM|| 2004-09-09 2:10:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Zhang Fei, I wish I believed that. But we said the same thing about the Russians and so far, nothing. Seems like all we can muster any more is low-grade seething.

Posted by BH 2004-09-09 2:16:26 PM|| 2004-09-09 2:16:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Even the Russians do a little planning before the action starts. Have a bit of patience. Once they start, they also don't stop.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-09 2:19:14 PM|| 2004-09-09 2:19:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 If When this happens here, we must not and can not negotiate. Politicially unworkable though it may be, the authorities must proceed as if any hostages -- even children -- are already dead. Negotiation (and even mere hesitation) only guarantee that it will happen again, and again, and again.

And when it does happen, then yes ... deport all Muslims and imprison all fifth-columnists. Business as usual is over until further notice.

The twenty-year-old inside of me is shuddering to see myself type such sentiments, but the rest of me is shuddering because they've become necessary.

Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-09 2:20:12 PM|| 2004-09-09 2:20:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 BH: Zhang Fei, I wish I believed that. But we said the same thing about the Russians and so far, nothing. Seems like all we can muster any more is low-grade seething.

It took Uncle Sam a full month to begin bombing Afghanistan. The Russians aren't as well organized or funded, but I expect prominent Chechen exiles are going into hiding as we speak. Iraq wasn't directly linked to 9/11, but we went there anyway. What do WMD's have to do with 9/11? Nothing. We not only went after the proximate cause, we went after the whole nest of rattlesnakes.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-09-09 2:22:53 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2004-09-09 2:22:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 ZF, Mrs. Davis: I understand that the government needs time. I'm talking about the people. Twelve Nepalese were murdered, and the people moseyed on down to the local moskkk and burned it. The Russian school incident is so big, I don't know why a single Chechen is still breathing. Someone kills my kid, I'm not waiting for the letter of marque.

Posted by BH 2004-09-09 2:33:17 PM|| 2004-09-09 2:33:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I am getting ready to go to work. My oldest boy just got home from school. He is a freshman at the local high school and let me know that they had a lockdown drill today. He says they turned the lights out and made everyone sit in a corner quietly. Also a uniformed marine handed out pamphlets about the drill in the lunch room. Sounds more like show than anything but I am surprised at how quickly this happened.

I guess that the steps that I would like to have happen without me knowing about that they took place would be a centralized database of school floor plans created, familiarization tours of schools by SWAT teams and restricted access to schools during off-hours. Schools have historically been made available for community use during off hours. I don't think that meetings of the Sarasota Saracens Paintball Club or the Columbine Gothic Bowlers is wise.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-09 4:07:08 PM|| 2004-09-09 4:07:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 where do you live, Super Hose?

Posted by lex 2004-09-09 5:09:16 PM|| 2004-09-09 5:09:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Act as though the hostages are still dead. The Jews have been doing this for years. Then they attack. You don't see anybody dumb enough to take Jewish hostages. it just doesn't pay.

Posted by DLS 2004-09-09 5:20:31 PM|| 2004-09-09 5:20:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 DLS,

You're absolutely right about that. But if we want to prevent it from happening at all we need to learn from another Israeli example. Arm teachers and security gaurds at all schools.

A school was attacked in Israel once and a lot of kids died. But it hasn't happened again since because they wrote a law empowering teachers to do what all adults have a duty to do that is spare no measure to protect our children.

If we dont want to this this happen to our kids we are going to have to get real hard assed about their protection real fast. We can't afford to dither or pine for the old days.

The whole world is Israel now.

Posted by peggy 2004-09-09 5:32:18 PM|| 2004-09-09 5:32:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 There is some concern about this on college campuses which are, after all, even more vulnerable than public schools. Strange adults arouse suspicion in public schools, they are the norm on campus. Thousands come and go freely every day and there are many middle-easterners and other foreigners among whom terrorists can hide. It is against the law to carry a firearm onto the campus but it is possible for certain faculty members to get a waiver from the Chief of Police. I have such a waiver, it is based on the need to carry weapons during certain field trips for snakes and the like. It does not allow me to take a weapon into a building but I can have it in a vehicle. There is an AK-47 in the trunk of my car (mean snakes). One of my colleagues has two AR-15s, one for use by a trusted grad student who just got out of the Marines. A doctor at the university clinic has half a dozen firearms on hand. The last thing in the world terrorists or garden variety psychos might expect, literally, is that a group of professors would start shooting at them.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-09 6:34:44 PM|| 2004-09-09 6:34:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 It took Uncle Sam a full month to begin bombing Afghanistan.

And, tragically, we missed an opportunity to exterminate a huge meeting of Taleban mullahs and clerics in Kandahar. We essentially knew that we were going to war there. Think of all the grief we could have bypassed by capping the Taleban's entire top echalons.

As to the lead item:

Terrorists now do not threaten to kill hostages until demands are met, they just start killing them until their demands are met.

This little gem, buried in the main article, says it all. Gone are the good old days of quid pro quo. Now, it's simply begin killing right away until the opposition caves.

Actually, I think that's a great idea.

WE NEED TO BEGIN KILLING TERRORISTS AND THEIR CLERICAL FACILITATORS UNTIL THEY CAVE ON CARRYING OUT ANY VIOLENT JIHAD.

That's all. Just start killing them wherever and whenever we find them. They will kill us at the first opportunity, so let's pre-empt that golden moment and blow them away first. Beslan was the model for all future hostage crises, just like 9-11 was the model for all future highjackings. End of story.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-09 10:13:44 PM|| 2004-09-09 10:13:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Lex, I live in the Fort Wayne area. The school is Homestead High School which is part of South West Allen County schools. I was not aware that this drill was going to be done or that such a drill scenario existed (I had heard of tornado and bomb evacuation drills.) If other parents were also unaware, I'm sure it will show up in the local papers.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-09 10:51:58 PM|| 2004-09-09 10:51:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 AC, I wonder if it's possible to stock an ROTC armory with useable weapons.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-09 10:55:15 PM|| 2004-09-09 10:55:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 AC:

My trunk:

my old Glock 23 w/4 full magazines (.40S&W)
.308 with scope (Hunting rifle)
Rem 870 12ga pump shotgun 18 Barrel, folding stock, grips, choke (duplicate of the one at home).

Load 1+6 rounds (pattern: #8, 00 Buck, DeerSlug, #8, 00 Buck, Slug, 00),

Slug is there in case there is still a functioning threat that has gone to light cover aftert the birdshot and buckshot have let my intentions be known. 12ga Slug at 20 ft, that's going to blow thru anything short of reinforced walls/doors.

Yep, go ahead, hide behind that cheap hollowcore door. Heh.

Newest addition:
Madhi AK-47 Semi (Egyptian) with a black fiberglass "thumbhole" stock and furniture, flash hider, and a lot of gunsmithing done to it to make it shoot true (I took it as a challenge - barrel was crowned really poorly, etc), 6 30 round Rumanian clips

Might not arm a squad, but sure as hell can reach out and get em with the .308, rake them with the AK, and clear a hall in 2 shots with the 870.

Fit hits the shan, I grab the shotgun and sling the AK if I have to go it alone. Got trained help - if they are better shot than me they get the 308, Otherwise they carry the AK and I carry rifle and shotgun (and pistol).

Doesnt count my concealed rig.

Any of you carry concealed, be sure to carry a reload (speedloader or full magazine) in this day and age.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-09 11:36:25 PM|| 2004-09-09 11:36:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Spook, remind me to stay on your good side.

Posted by Mike 2004-09-09 11:47:41 PM|| 2004-09-09 11:47:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 OS, I imagine you always drive sober and not above the speed limit, right? That kind of armament would be a tad difficult to explain to the local constabulary ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2004-09-10 12:04:40 AM|| 2004-09-10 12:04:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Mike, you stay on Old Spook's good side...I'll be to his left and a little behind -- so as not to interfere when he's playing!

Posted by trailing wife 2004-09-10 12:06:17 AM|| 2004-09-10 12:06:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Old Spook--will you be my hero? :-)

Posted by Dar 2004-09-10 12:10:26 AM|| 2004-09-10 12:10:26 AM|| Front Page Top

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