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Gore: Bush faith akin to fundamentalist Islam
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Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-09 1:01:34 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 If Big Honest Al really believes this crap, he's nuttier than a fruitcake. Thank God Bush won in 2000.
Posted by PBMcL 2004-09-09 1:18:05 AM||   2004-09-09 1:18:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 PBMcL - I think even most liberals agree with your assessment.
Posted by B 2004-09-09 1:19:01 AM||   2004-09-09 1:19:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 God Bless the U.S. Supreme Court!
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-09 1:20:37 AM||   2004-09-09 1:20:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 My sis went to J-school and got lots of perfessers just like Al. Scary.

Even scarier, Al was *this* close to being the Prez. Yikes!
Posted by Seafarious  2004-09-09 1:20:46 AM||   2004-09-09 1:20:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Seafarious - almost as scary as skerry.
Posted by B 2004-09-09 1:22:45 AM||   2004-09-09 1:22:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Wake up! Kee-Reist All Mighty, this guy was within a hairs breadth of becoming the POTUS. At this point, a vote for a Democrat is synonymous with commtting oneself to an asylum. WTF? It's frightening that there is even a debate on this matter.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-09 2:09:47 AM||   2004-09-09 2:09:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 TGA, I found a commentary on Newsmax that may be of interest. It goes into a quasi-psychological explanation of why the Band of Brothers has formed around Kerry, but more interesting is its mention of an American icon from Florida politics: George Smathers, the ultimate smear-merchant.
Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-09 2:17:14 AM||   2004-09-09 2:17:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 You RBers are wonderful and I love you!

Any man that would try and *sue* his way to the White House is certifiable.
That so many "thinking" Americans would believe for so long that Bush "stole" the election is depressing to me, but thank God many of those have seen the light in the days, months and years since!
(And the Supreme Court didn't "give" the election to Bush, they merely stopped the chad counting, which, without their intervention would have gone on, and on, and on....)
It's way past time for the mother ship to beam up Al and his merry band of Bush haters!
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-09-09 2:23:40 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-09-09 2:23:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Super Hose, I think I really don't care too much about Kerry's medals and how hard they were earned (or not). It's something that looks good on the resumé and had Bush earned medals he might have brought them up, too.
Kerry's "negotiations" with the Nord Vietnamese is the troublesome thing.

Jen, not to replay the Florida Vote, but I think the dominant idea I had about the whole thing was that people who can't punch a proper hole in a card or can't tell Pat Buchanan from Al Gore should maybe not given too much influence in deciding an election.
In Germany, any vote that is not clear is simply thrown out. Nobody tries to work out what the "voter's intent" might have been. You make a cross in a circle. If there is no clear cross in a circle, the vote is thrown out. Easy, isn't it.

Don't think that making a hole is any more complicated.

And with the properly punched votes Bush won Florida. This is what I would have decided on election day.

And yes, I've worked as an election observer.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-09 2:32:56 AM||   2004-09-09 2:32:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 TGA, the USA is the same as Germany:
the "votes" Algore was having them recount in Florida were the "bad ballots" you described--the undervotes (no candidate selected for President) and overvotes(more than 1 candidate selected for President).
These were never counted before anywhere for any election until Al came along...
And he got the Democrat Florida Supreme Court to rule in his favor so that the chad counting of those 4 heavily Democrat counties could go on and the U.S. Supreme Court should have slapped them down then, but they wanted to look impartial.
If you may remember, the "chad" counting got weirder and weirder as Dimocrats insisted that the "intent of the voter" was to be "discerned" by the degree of "pregnancy" or "swinging" nature of the chad.
Al told his True Believers on live network TV that "every vote wasn't counted," which was a huge lie even Joseph Goebbels and Stalin would have admired.
God help us in November, because who knows what the Dimocrats will try this time...!
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-09-09 2:40:23 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-09-09 2:40:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm wondering if all the electonic voting equipment in Florida made it through the hurricane(s) ok...
Posted by Seafarious  2004-09-09 2:47:25 AM||   2004-09-09 2:47:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Seafarious, this is the only thing I don't like. Touch Screen Machines without a paper trail. This just yells out for trouble.

Sorry, as Reagan said: Trust, but verify.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-09 3:04:11 AM||   2004-09-09 3:04:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 TGA, the punch cards have functioned well in all 50 states for years and Florida 2000 was no exception.
Only Al and his gang of lawyers would force human beings to try and count chads (they caught them even eating them towards the end!).
Even the confusion of the "butterfly ballot" was instigated by the Democrats who got a Texas (!) telemarketing firm to call elderly Jewish voters in Palm Beach and *suggest* that they had erroneously voted for anti-Semite candidate Pat Buchanan.
IMHO, it was Al Gore who tried to steal the election, not Bush.
And never forget that the manager of Gore's campaign was the son of Chicago mayor Richard Daley who helped JFK "win" in 1960 when lots of Chicagoans rose from the dead to vote for Kennedy.
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-09-09 3:14:56 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-09-09 3:14:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Seafarious, there is another hurricane coming your way...

What on earth have you done in Florida?? We always told our kids if they didn't eat up properly bad weather was coming... but this seems a little exaggerated, no?
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-09 3:17:49 AM||   2004-09-09 3:17:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 TGA, you misunderstood. I was trying to entertain you with a reference to an obscure American politician. I thought his story might give you a chuckle or provide something for you to pass to others on your side fo the Atlantic divide. I noticed that things were getting rather heated with on one of the other threads so for comic relief (other than the Gore rant)I provide:

"Having followed dirty politics since George Smathers spread the word throughout rural Florida that the incumbent senator, Claude Pepper, was well known in Washington as a “homo sapien” whose daughter was not only a practicing “thespian” but actually DID it in front of paying customers – I have to admit I was stumped by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. (Smathers, by the way, won!)"

Although I am pretty straight-laced, even I sucumb to the uniquely American glorification of the scoundrel on occasion - I just prefer that the scoundrels be kept in Congress.
Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-09 3:42:31 AM||   2004-09-09 3:42:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 No problem...
Looks like I got into a debate with a very thin skinned person over there in the other thread.

Guess I'm not P.C. enough for some, and too much for others... depending on the subject.

We could have needed some pics of .com to cheer things up a bit :-)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-09 3:46:54 AM||   2004-09-09 3:46:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Al Gore is a classic example of what happens when a son tries to follow in his father's footsteps and just doesn't have the horsepower to meet expectations. Gore has been pathetic since he ducked out on his Stars & Stripes job in Saigon to go to divinity school. (He flunked out because he never attended class but it did get his ass out of VietNam 5 months early. He wasn't smart enough for the 3 purple hearts routine). Sorry. It's been a long night and I really am sick unto death of Democrats (pick one) telling everyone how much smarter they are than the rest of us.
Posted by RWV 2004-09-09 4:48:38 AM||   2004-09-09 4:48:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 SH, they named the main branch of the University of Florida's Library after Smathers... jeeebus. He retired just in time to avoid the Bobby Baker mess.
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-09 7:40:49 AM||   2004-09-09 7:40:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Someone say Gators?
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-09-09 7:57:55 AM||   2004-09-09 7:57:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Actually fundamentalist enviros are actually more obnoxious than Wahabis because the latter group typically gets huffy and leaves after you contradict them with facts.
Posted by mhw 2004-09-09 8:10:47 AM||   2004-09-09 8:10:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 I have a confession (*SIGH*), no, actually two confessions…(1) In 1960 I was a Daley Democratic (actually the son of a DD, being only 15 y.o.). In order to get out the vote, I and several of my family sat in our basement with a list of voters who’d died within the past twelve months (and were still on the voter rolls), we highlighted these names and prepared for election day.

(2) On that day, at 4 AM, we took a school bus down to the old folks home and the local mission, we filled the bus (60 seats), gave the sleepy a cup of coffee and a Danish…and a name. The next stop was the polls, where “name” in hand they trooped into the voting machine, drew the curtain and voted the straight Democrat ticket, got back on the bus, got another coffee and Danish…then off to the next voting venue.

This went on until the polls closed.

The tired old folks, were taken to a cafeteria for dinner (AYCE) and the mission guys were given a pint of Four Roses.

Kennedy carried Chicago in a landslide!

When I went to Viet Nam, I broke with the Democrat party and voted absentee ballot (AB) for Nixon. My Dad wrote later and told me that every AB that arrived in Cook County, that was NOT for Half-hearted Humphrey, was stamped “arrived to late to be counted”.

I suspect the Democrats still use this and other maneuvers to “stuff the ballot boxes”.
Posted by RN  2004-09-09 8:23:44 AM||   2004-09-09 8:23:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Left wing politics will always have a problem with democracy.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-09-09 8:35:35 AM||   2004-09-09 8:35:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Ya whatever Al. Don't forget to take your meds now.
Posted by Bill Nelson  2004-09-09 8:37:25 AM||   2004-09-09 8:37:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Gore has always been full of crap -- what's new? He's just a loser dwelling on his loss. A Monday morning quarterback of the most pathetic kind.
Posted by Tom 2004-09-09 8:47:20 AM||   2004-09-09 8:47:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Why do you want to disparage quarterbacks like that?
Posted by RN  2004-09-09 8:50:37 AM||   2004-09-09 8:50:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Hiya Dragon Fly! Where ya been?
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-09 9:01:09 AM||   2004-09-09 9:01:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 Shipman... (Off Topic Alert) Perhaps I should have posted. I am preparing to travel extensively early next year. Disassembling your everyday life is much more time consuming than I anticipated.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-09-09 9:27:31 AM||   2004-09-09 9:27:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Gore actually has a tiny bit correct in what he said. Some branches of fundamentalist Christianity are remarkably similar to hardcore fundamentalism in other religions (ultra-Orthodox Jews; pre-Vatican II Catholics; Wahhabi muslims, etc.). They do hold to ancient beliefs without much questioning.

That said, he's wrong when he claims Bush to be that kind of Christian. Instead, Bush is more of the Evangelical, experiential type. It's about a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." Not so much about fire and brimstone and following rules. That sort of Christian would be very big on the Sermon on the Mount (which is where the Beatitudes come from Al, you ignoramous).
Posted by growler 2004-09-09 9:59:36 AM||   2004-09-09 9:59:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 the natural impulse is to grab hold of the tree trunk that seems to have the deepest roots and hold on for dear life and never question the possibility that it’s not going to be the source of your salvation.

Good tactic to pick up votes Gore. No doubt that African Americans, hispanics, catholics and the majority the population will be drawn to the rhetoric that salvation doesn't exist.
Posted by B 2004-09-09 11:09:48 AM||   2004-09-09 11:09:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 growler: branches of fundamentalist Christianity are remarkably similar to hardcore fundamentalism in other religions (ultra-Orthodox Jews; pre-Vatican II Catholics; Wahhabi muslims, etc.). They do hold to ancient beliefs without much questioning.

People everywhere hold on to various erroneous (religious or atheistic) beliefs without much questioning. The difference is that Muslims view it as their sacred right to kill non-Muslims just because they feel like it, whether they are the majority or the minority, and then not only deny that they did it, but allege that the non-Muslims did it to themselves.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-09-09 11:21:38 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2004-09-09 11:21:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 He says that They all have certain features in common... but does not say what any of those features are. He may have a point (perhaps his first in recent history) but doesn't convince anyone with an accusation and no examples.
Posted by jules 187 2004-09-09 11:35:15 AM||   2004-09-09 11:35:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Religiosity? Is that a real word or did Al invent it?
Posted by tu3031 2004-09-09 11:44:30 AM||   2004-09-09 11:44:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 ZF hit the nail on the head.

LEFTIE TALKING POINT WATCH:
This article doesn't surprise me. The one talking point that my leftie friends nationwide seem to be parroting, is their deep seated fear of the dire consequences that would result from the rise of the Christian right -should Bush get elected.

This is apparently the talking point to turn to when the the subject of Islamofascism is brought up. They worry that school vouchers will result in a dangerous sub-group of children brainwashed in the evils of Christianity. Not sure what they think they will do - but this is a clear and present danger in their mind. Oh...and the cunning Christians might even try to bring back school prayer!! This is a far greater horror to them than Belsan, which BTW, the Russians deserved because they are so brutal.

Despite almost non-existent crimes by Christian Extremists (other than the occassional abortion doctor), they point to Timothy McVeigh and Waco to show the terrible, horrific, dangers that await if Bush is elected.

Tip: Don't point out that the Waco cult never killed anyone or that McVeigh wasn't on a Crusade from God...unless you want them to turn and hiss at you.

So it's no surprise that Gore is throwing them this piece of red meat to chew on.
Posted by B 2004-09-09 11:49:47 AM||   2004-09-09 11:49:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 Al's vicious hatred of W has him disintigrating into a pool of spittle and I'm giggling myself silly like a little girl watching the spectactle........
Posted by Jarhead 2004-09-09 12:31:43 PM||   2004-09-09 12:31:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 RN, would you disenfranchise the noble dead? (HT: Walt Kelly)
Posted by James  2004-09-09 12:43:23 PM|| [http://www.idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2004-09-09 12:43:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 RN, what a story!
Thanks for sharing...our boy in Texas, LBJ a/k/a "Landslide Lyndon", did his part to bring in the election for JFK down here, too.

And B, Great mini-rant!
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-09-09 12:54:27 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-09-09 12:54:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 

H Bogart as Capt Queeg in the movie,
"The Caine Mutiny"

Which person is Captain Queeg most like?

A) Al Gore :
"He betray-uhed this cuntruh. He-a played on ahr feerz!"

B) Howard Dean:
"Arrrrrrrrrrgh

C) James Carville :
"Thuh RNC drugged Zell Milluh"

D) All of the above.

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-09 2:55:01 PM||   2004-09-09 2:55:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Zhang Fei raises an interesting point about beliefs. A few very perceptive philosophers have observed that religion is not that different from philosophy and politics in that in all three areas people have strong disagreements, even if they have strong reasons and strong rational arguments for believing what they do. There is no field more devoted to the exercise of logic and rationality than philosophy, and yet philosophers still disagree with each other on just about every topic.
Posted by V is for Victory 2004-09-09 4:31:35 PM||   2004-09-09 4:31:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 True, V, but the only people who murder others for disagreeing with the way they believe as a fundamental tenet of their faith are Muslims.
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-09-09 4:36:42 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-09-09 4:36:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Far be it for me to argue with someone whose name could be translated as IronKnife, Jen, but consider Northern Ireland. And that's putively the same religion.

Please don't construe this as any kind of support for the RoP (Religion of Pigfuckers) but the truth is all religions are dangerous in that they set up a boogy man in the sky whose word is law and if s/he says to do something then you must "because it's the right thing to do". The problem of course lies in the nature of the person(s) your god speaks to since s/he damn well don't have a blog. When s/he speaks to Muhammed the Pedophile you get one result, Jesus another, Kali yet another.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not an atheist - more of an antitheist - I beleive in god, I just don't like the way the old bitch conducts business.
Posted by Anonymous6377 2004-09-09 7:09:50 PM||   2004-09-09 7:09:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 God bless the Supreme Court and God bless Zell Miller - maybe Zell will make it to the Supreme Court. That would be supreme justice.
Posted by JP 2004-09-09 10:38:50 PM||   2004-09-09 10:38:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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