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2004-09-21 Southeast Asia

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-09-21 1:57:16 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 didn't SBY preside over some of the Butchering of East Timor in the Suharto years?

Our media is being stuffed with SBY fluff pieces at the moment trying to sell him: he's a secular not a fanatic, he's steady etc

but I remember him being an army butcher under the previous dictatorship....

Is this right? Does anybody else remember anything about this General?

Posted by Anon1 2004-09-21 2:11:39 AM|| 2004-09-21 2:11:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 You may be thinking of Wiranto, the Beeb sez, for whatever it's worth, that he wasn't involved in any of the killings in East Timor just before it became independent.

Posted by Dan Darling 2004-09-21 2:18:25 AM|| [http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com] 2004-09-21 2:18:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 what exactly is a "secular muslim".

Posted by 2B 2004-09-21 7:53:30 AM|| 2004-09-21 7:53:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 2B:
A logical impossibility.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-09-21 8:21:29 AM|| 2004-09-21 8:21:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 :-) lol!

Posted by 2B 2004-09-21 8:37:00 AM|| 2004-09-21 8:37:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 what is a secular muslim

Its used differently by different people
1. Someone who doesnt beleive in Islam faith, but doesnt consider himself an apostate, and considers himself part of Islamic civilization. Parallel with the more common "secular Jew". Rare usage, ive seen it on an Iraqi blog and nowhere else.
2. Someone who does believe in Islam, and considers himself muslim, but who largely ignores muslim law, and isnt religious. For example whiskey drinking Gen. Dostum in Afghanistan, or large numbers of Turkish and Bosnian muslims. This seems to be the most common and correct usage.
3. Someone who is a muslim but opposes making Sharia into state law. The proper word here is "secularist", not secular muslim, since they are secular only in their approach to the state, not in their personal life.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-21 9:15:35 AM|| 2004-09-21 9:15:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 apparentlt SBY did not have the support of Golakar, which is the party that had the most support from the Indon military, especially elements that were hawkish on East Timor. They threw their support to Sukarnoputri, though they never much liked her either.

All in all this looks like quite a good thing.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-21 9:18:26 AM|| 2004-09-21 9:18:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 He's going to take on Indonesia's problems like Batman! Bam! Bang!

Posted by 2B 2004-09-21 7:49:30 PM|| 2004-09-21 7:49:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 saw this on XMC

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-21 7:55:23 PM|| 2004-09-21 7:55:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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