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2004-10-07 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-10-07 2:33:11 PM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This story --- the aftermath of the terrorist attack on the school --- needs to be brought up in the MSM. This is a graphic picture of what the enemy does to ordinary, decent people. The psychological injuries inflicted upon these children may take 3 years to get over. I think that it will be more like a lifetime. The trauma will become scars or non-healing wounds that will be there in the minds of these children all their lives. The world, or at least our country must not let this happen to others.

I feel like we are heading toward an abyss when I see my 8 year old son. Terrorists would not hesitate to do this at any school if they had the means, even his school.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-10-07 2:57:17 PM|| 2004-10-07 2:57:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 How can we help them from outside?

Arm them. Motivate them. And cheer their worst excesses. Time to erase Chechnya.

Posted by BH 2004-10-07 2:58:39 PM|| 2004-10-07 2:58:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 It's well past time to erase a lot more than Chechnya.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-10-07 3:01:18 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-10-07 3:01:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 " It's well past time to erase a lot more than Chechnya."

But, when I say that on RB about Gaza, people call me a blood thirsty motherf****r. We need to stamp out as much terrorism as possible. NOW!

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-07 5:18:53 PM|| 2004-10-07 5:18:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 PR, you recommended killing them all, leading your readers to assume you included nursing mothers and their babies, kittens, and fluffy baby ducks on the list. If you mean 'all' to include only those involved in planning, waging and otherwise involved in terror activities, you need to specify that. Ok?

Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-07 10:00:35 PM|| 2004-10-07 10:00:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 What's the difference between "erase" and "all" as mentioned above? I know, I know, Arafat's thugs and Hamas only pick buses with adult males to blow up. The Hilton explosion happened today after the women and children were told to leave so only the adult males can get killed.

The only way to defeat terror is to out-terrorize your opponent. Yes, that includes nursing mothers, babies, kittens and rubber duckies.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-07 10:11:49 PM|| 2004-10-07 10:11:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 PR - It's not an acceptable goal to terrorize the population, if you're a secular western nation. You can, however, endeavor to inflict painful cause/effect lessons until the population is pacified. That means, if a Qassam attack comes from Gaza, you don't destroy Hebron. If there are human shields, I call it societal collateral damage for the Paleos, but there have to be limits or you are as bad as your enemy. Targetted (with reasons) annihilation is acceptable (at least to me) - mass slaughter will lose your internal popular will to fight as well as support (like from the U.S.) abroad. Hope I explained that as I understand it?

Posted by Frank G 2004-10-07 10:21:24 PM|| 2004-10-07 10:21:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Frank: It's not an acceptable goal to terrorize the population, if you're a secular western nation.

I must respectfully call bullsh*t on this statement. We did terrorize the populations of Germany and Japan, back when we actually knew how to make our enemies understand they were defeated. This target response that we're doing, though technologically miraculous, plays right into the hands of an enemy that hides among the folds of an approving populace.

Posted by BH 2004-10-07 10:42:23 PM|| 2004-10-07 10:42:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 FG,
I am not saying if a missile comes from Gaza, attack Hebron. If a missile comes from Gaza, attack Gaza. If the terrorist know that if they can fire a missile and then go and hide among women and children in a apartment building, then they will keep on doing it. But if you destroy(after obtaining accurate intelligence) that building, then the regular population will think twice about harboring the terrorists. No one can ever win terrorism with a "secular western nation" mentality. You can win wars with "secular western nation" mentality but NOT terrorism. I will tell you what, give me an example where terrorism has ever been defeated by executing your version of success. I just don't see the difference between killing 3000 Paleo's over a period of 3 or 4 years and killing about a thousand at once, to STAMP OUT terrorism in that orginating area-including terror leaders. The U.S and Israel have been fighting terrorism for over 30 years, because of all these baby steps that are being taken. I guess your suggestion is to fight terrorism little by little for the next 200 years so that only a few will die each month.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-07 10:43:01 PM|| 2004-10-07 10:43:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 good points BH and PR - but I strongly disagree -BH: Germany and Japan were nations at war. Destroying their national will and population tapped for military service was acceptable. I'm not saying this makes sense, but it is true. PR - a successful war on Paleo terror will cause many civvy casualties for the reason you note. The point is not to seek out those civilian deaths as the Paleos do. Israel and the US need to make the consequences on those wishing to go along without criticizing the extremists in their midsts hard enough to cause a societal schism and civil war for the Paleo future. They have to want to put down the intifada from within. Once the fence is done, and they keep shooting stupid aimless rockets with massive retribution, it will become obvious to everyday Paleos that there is no future in following teh extremists (or living close to their launch points). I bow to nobody here in my support for Israel's security. I just want the people, state, culture, and democracy that I support to be there as it is now, when it's all done.

Posted by Frank G 2004-10-07 11:06:09 PM|| 2004-10-07 11:06:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I have no doubt that you are pro-Israel. We will agree to disagree.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-08 6:54:32 AM|| 2004-10-08 6:54:32 AM|| Front Page Top

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