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2004-10-27 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Chuck Simmins 2004-10-27 10:27:41 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I just faxed the following letter to both fax numbers:

To the Government and people of Estonia:

I would like to extend my personal condolences and those of the American people to the nation and people of Estonia for the death of an Estonian soldier this week while engaged in the Liberation of Iraq. We very much appreciate the contributions that Estonia has made to the Coalition. We are truly saddened by the deaths and injuries that the brave soldiers of Estonia have incurred in that endeavor.

Please be assured that our prayers are with the family of this brave man, and we hope that his family finds some comfort that he died for the cause of freedom. Our thoughts and prayers are also with those wounded soldiers. We hope they have a speedy recovery and a safe return to their loved ones.

Please convey to your government our profound gratitude and thanks for your nationâs assistance in Iraq. Many in America realize that we could have no truer friends in world politics than the formerly captive nations of the Baltic.

Posted by Chuck Simmins 2004-10-27 10:46:48 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org] 2004-10-27 10:46:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "Many in America realize that we could have no truer friends in world politics than the formerly captive nations of the Baltic."

Better also add an addendum that whenever people attack those evil cowardly appeassing Europeans collectively, they really don't *mean* to insult Estonians as well, they are only insulting them because they are too stupid to know any better.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-10-27 6:46:05 PM|| 2004-10-27 6:46:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Better also add an addendum that whenever people attack those evil cowardly appeassing Europeans collectively, they really don't *mean* to insult Estonians as well

I believe that's why the words "we could have no truer friends in world politics than the formerly captive nations of the Baltic." were used.

Posted by Pappy 2004-10-27 10:51:20 PM|| 2004-10-27 10:51:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Aris, Not all Europeans think the same. It seems the East is now the side who thinks rationally about the future. Most of the West is lost. I include in that list: Spain, Belgium, Phrance, Germany, Greece. In my opinion, the only Europeans who have some clue about the current fight are: Britain, Italy under Berlusconi, Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, Norway and the rest have other agendas. Oh, and I must now include Estonia inder the "getsit" list.

Aris, your country will become the backwater it deserves when it become Dhimmi as will several other European countries.

Y'all don't have the cajones to fight for yourself and will be enslaved by others. It is a battle the Amis won't do again.

Posted by Brett_the_Quarkian 2004-10-27 11:00:00 PM|| 2004-10-27 11:00:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Echoing what Brett had to say. When we deride "Europe" we are referring to the parts who claim to speak for the whole continent and claim exclusive rights to class and culture, i.e. France, Belgium, Greece and those who think like them. We are referring to the parts of Europe that have not shown honor, integrity and bravery for many generations. Aris, this was a good opportunity for you to keep quiet.

Posted by ed 2004-10-27 11:31:40 PM|| 2004-10-27 11:31:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 ed> When we deride "Europe" we are referring to the parts who claim to speak for the whole continent

The sad thing is that you are not seeing the inherent irony of that sentence. You are labelling "Europe" those parts that *supposedly* claim to speak for the entire continent? By your very actions you are indicating your belief they are *right* when they (supposedly) claim to be speaking for the entire continent.

We are referring to the parts of Europe that have not shown honor, integrity and bravery for many generations.

Yeah, when you are talking about "Europe" you are only using it to describe the bits of Europe you don't actually like -- that's what I'm saying. So hatred of Europe is not just automatic for you, it's a matter of definitions. You've reached the stage of the good fanatic where they don't need to think any more, they've redefined language to do their thinking for them. "Duckspeaking" that was called in 1984, I believe.

How else, afterall, could someone *possibly* become an adherent of fascism if they didn't condition themselves to imbue an automatically negative meaning in groupings of people? If "Jew" wasn't felt like a slur by Nazis they wouldn't be Nazis -- if "European" wasn't turned into an automatic insult by you and your likeminded, ed, you wouldn't be yourself either.

"This was a good opportunity to keep quiet" you say? Am afraid that no matter what you claim about the meaning of "European", all Estonians know that they *are* indeed Europeans. I doubt any black person with dignity would feel better if he were told by a random racist "Oh, when I say that black people are contemptible criminals, I don't mean *you*. You and your family happen to be nice fellows, I mean those *other* black people".

But go right ahead -- keep on insulting Europeans as a whole and see how many friends you'll have kept in a couple decades in any part of the continent, east or west. Perhaps you'll find they'll not be so easily assured that your contempt for the Euros doesn't extend to them as well.

Brett> Don't tell *me* that not all Europeans think the same. Tell those people who've turned "Euro" into an insult in this forum, insulting the whole of the continent, and then suddenly remember to praise the Polish or the Bulgarians or the Estonians or the Italians or whoever, and the don't even see the inherent crystal-clear contradictions between these thoughts. That was what "doublethink" was all about in 1984.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-10-28 12:13:46 AM|| 2004-10-28 12:13:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Aris, you've obviously just read a little Orwell, so I'm not quite going to piss on you for it. Just read some more, OK?
On the Euros---sure, know liberal leftists in Italy, who talk about how America is going to get "another big surprise," and who can't believe that I associate with "black n***ers" in my musical group.
I have friends in Hungary who stand very closely in solidarity with America in these trying times.
But I don't know anyone in Europe who views so few, so many, so much, or ALL of America as negatively as you.
Oh, you feel kindly toward those "other" Americans?
That's exactly my case in point.

Posted by Asedwich 2004-10-28 1:39:40 AM|| 2004-10-28 1:39:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Aris,
How long have Greeks, French (the "Euros" if you like) been practicing hatred againt Americans? How many hundreds of years have the oh-so-cultured-and-prejudiced among you stereotyped Americans as dimwitted, greedy, animalistic. Why even the American air itself caused atavism. Interchange Jew and American and you can't even tell the difference in propaganda.

How long during the cold war, while Americans worked hard and spent vast sums to keep western Europe from being overrun, did many Europeans (esp. French) demonize and blame America for the millions of Soviet troops and thousands of nuclear warheads on western Europe's border. The cold war was Ameica's fault, not the Soviet Union imposing dictatorships in eastern Europe. If only those wild-eyed American went away, there would be peace and flowers in Europe. How long after the fall of the Soviet Union fell that the opinion leaders in Europe (but not all Europe, just the part you support) cynically, and vastly trumped up hatred for American to unite the different members, even to explicitly call for being the opposing power in the post cold war. How long has your government, media and opinion leaders generated the worst stereotypes and propaganda against Americans to unite and elevate your yourselves.

You, like a typical socialist Euro (see I don't have to lump all people in Europe together), keep talking about facsist Americans, but it has been Europe who has embraced fascism and it has been fascist Europeans who have exported it (can you say Baath Party). What's the saying? Europe always talks about America falling under fascism, but fascism always manages to land in Europe. The New Europeans are probably keeping a wary on you, because history says it's you who are the fascists. Just as fascists and communists needed Jews as enemies, French-led, Greek-followed Europe needs a new enemy, preferably one that is tolerant and loathe to bite back. Well the Jews are almost exterminated, so let's demonize the Americans. They have been so forgiving of the crap tossed at them all these years, and best of all, far away. But you didn't expect those stupid Americans to take notice of your cynical and shameful ploy. But we did notice and we are angry. So get used to our hatred for you and your like minded boys. We have many years left to return the favor.

Posted by ed 2004-10-28 1:47:21 AM|| 2004-10-28 1:47:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 What most of you are forgetting, is that East Europeans or not, they are still Europeans first. For some of them, helping out in Iraq and Afghanistan was a big thank-you for letting them in to NATO. Now watch for a gradual shift away from being America-friendly. They are now part of the EU, afterall.

Posted by Rafael 2004-10-28 2:07:11 AM|| 2004-10-28 2:07:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 On the Euros---sure, know liberal leftists in Italy, who talk about how America is going to get "another big surprise," and who can't believe that I associate with "black n***ers" in my musical group

Your point? That there exist evil bigoted asses in both continents? Ofcourse.

Something more relevant next time, please. For example I'm only concerned about the bigoted asses of this forum.

But I don't know anyone in Europe who views so few, so many, so much, or ALL of America as negatively as you.

That's because you are illiterate and you couldn't read my actual statements about America if you tried. You still have your own little version of my words echoing around your skull, not anything I've actually said.

Oh, you feel kindly toward those "other" Americans?

When have I ever insulted Americans as a whole? Answer that or be damned, Asedwich. Unlike many of you, I'm not a bigot.

My contempt is always directed personally.

How long have Greeks, French (the "Euros" if you like)

NO, ed, I won't submit to your politically twisted usage of language. Any definition of Europe that includes Greece and France and leaves out Italy and Estonia, is a definition that is utterly WRONG.

Brits may be able to twist your evident contempt for Europe by inserting the word "continental" before any reference to European and believing, or pretending to believe that your contempt towards Europe refers to continental Europe alone.

But the mental gymnastics that Estonians would require to use in order to redefine your insulting use of "Europe" in a way that wouldn't include them personally -- do you see that as something that any people with dignity would do? I don't. In the end they'll either despise you for the contempt you are giving them, or dismiss you as hopelessly ignorant and stupid.

I wouldn't be so upset about that if I didn't feel that America and Europe need to be allied if Western civilisation is to survive as a whole.

been practicing hatred againt Americans? How many hundreds of years have the oh-so-cultured-and-prejudiced among you stereotyped Americans as dimwitted, greedy, animalistic.

Who gives a shit? I'm talking about actual people here present in this forum, you are talking about abstract examples concerning "cultured and oh-so-prejudiced" people looking down on Americans that supposedly date centuries back.

Very well, those specific prejudiced Europeans are stupid morons too. And so are you who is so determined to outprejudice them as well. Does that make you feel better? That your own personal brain (no need to stereotype Americans here, it's YOU and your like-minded people here I'm concerned with) is as miniscule and your attitude as insufferable as the worst stereotypes of the continent you despise?

You are responsible for your own bigotry, ed. You are not responsible for what other Americans have done and I am not responsible for what other Europeans have done. I don't have contempt for you as an American, I have contempt for you for what you have personally stated and believed.

"The cold war was Ameica's fault, not the Soviet Union imposing dictatorships in eastern Europe. If only those wild-eyed American went away, there would be peace and flowers in Europe. How long after the fall of the Soviet Union fell that the opinion leaders in Europe (but not all Europe, just the part you support) cynically, and vastly trumped up hatred for American to unite the different members, even to explicitly call for being the opposing power in the post cold war. How long has your government, media and opinion leaders generated the worst stereotypes and propaganda against Americans to unite and elevate your yourselves"

You babble and babble and babble some more, and nothing that I *actually* said, is even included here. What does that tell about your argument against me, when you are forced to not describe my own opinion, but describe other Europeans' opinion and then blame me for them?

You, like a typical socialist Euro (see I don't have to lump all people in Europe together), keep talking about facsist Americans

I'm talking about a fascist YOU (and you, and you and you). If you think that your being an American is central to your fascism, that's your own problem, not mine.

The New Europeans are probably keeping a wary on you

Oh, *another* nice little word construction. "New Europeans".

And the remainder of your post remains ignorant non-sequitur babble, irrelevant and unconnected to anything I actually said.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-10-28 8:42:31 AM|| 2004-10-28 8:42:31 AM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Howard UK 2004-10-28 8:55:17 AM|| 2004-10-28 8:55:17 AM|| Front Page Top

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