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2004-12-28 Europe
Stop labelling Pope Catholic terror as Islamic: Muslim group
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Posted by Steve 2004-12-28 11:31:02 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The disconnect is amazing. We, poor misled Westerners still insist upon the cause => effect thingy. How crude and un-nuanced of us. Our betters, by definition, know better, of course, and here they try to explain it to the knuckle-dragging reactionary cowboys of the West. BTW, are these The Moderate Muslims™ we've sought for so long? Or just another apologist / untapped resource biding their time? Steve reports. You decide.
Posted by .com 2004-12-28 12:02:45 PM||   2004-12-28 12:02:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Murderous Islamoscumbags?
Moon God killers?
Pedophile worshipping 7th century barbarians?

Muslim religious extremists
I'm pretty sure there aren't any other kind.
Posted by JerseyMike 2004-12-28 12:05:01 PM||   2004-12-28 12:05:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Terrorists, and those who support them, are false Moslems. Lets do a favor to all the true Moslems ...
Posted by gromgorru  2004-12-28 12:05:46 PM||   2004-12-28 12:05:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Nothing wrong with stating the facts. If they're IRA terrorists, say so. If they're Shining Path terrorists, say so.

If the shoe fits... you know the rest!
Posted by Dar  2004-12-28 12:13:22 PM||   2004-12-28 12:13:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Why don't you members of the Islamic Commision of Spain explain the difference between yourselves and the drug addicted, internationally funded crime syndicates of jihadi muslim murderers killing and maiming in your name? Could you maybe do that for us?


and while your at it, could you come down hard on outlaw outfits such as al jazeeerah, and al arabeeah for, in effect, slandering you, your beliefs, and your supposedly good name and reputation? Huh? If you suckers got a P.R. problem, why do you display such cowardiss in the face of your now self proclaimed, moneyed betters? Soldiers report that tons of drugs- Heroin (from Afghanistan), Amphetamines (from labs in Fallujah), and Cocaine (form Columbia) are imported and pumped into your Jihadi(?) apostate bretheren; to keep and maintain them as unrepentant, irredeemable, conscienceless killers. Its MSMedia policy to silence reporting on this element of their- how is it to be referenced, oh yes- fabricated, rebel, insurgient, freedom fighting drama.

Are you rooting for them in private or is your problem with al jazeera, who is rooting for them, and functions as their PR wing?

Cowards, miserable cowards all.
Posted by an dalusian dog  2004-12-28 12:52:02 PM||   2004-12-28 12:52:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack.
Posted by Jack is Back  2004-12-28 12:55:49 PM||   2004-12-28 12:55:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 
Posted by .com 2004-12-28 1:01:11 PM||   2004-12-28 1:01:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 
Let's review the work of an insider:

The Sad Truth Is That All Terrorists Are Muslim

Editorial Written by Abd al-Rahman al-Rashid

September 4, 2004

Translated by Worldpress.org contributing editor Peter Valenti

... It is certainly true that not all Muslims are terrorists, however, sadly we say that the majority of terrorists in the world are Muslims. The kidnappers of the students in [the city of Beslan in the Russian state of] Ossetia were Muslim. The kidnappers who killed the Nepalese chefs and laborers [in Iraq] were also Muslims. Those who perpetrate acts of rape and murder in Darfur are Muslims, and their victims are Muslim also. Those who blew up civilian housing complexes in Riyadh and Khobar [Saudi Arabia] were Muslims. Those who kidnapped the two French reporters [in Iraq] were Muslim. The two women who blew up those two planes a week ago [in Russia] were Muslim.

Quite a laundry list there, al-Rashid. You've convinced me.

Bin Laden is a Muslim and [the rebel cleric in Yemen, Husayn Badr al-Din] al-Hawthi is a Muslim, and most of those who carried out suicidal acts against buses, schools, houses, buildings all over the world in the past ten years also were Muslims. What a terrible record—doesn’t that say something to us about ourselves, our societies and our culture?

Why, yes, it does.

These images are grim, shameful and despicable for us when we gather them and lay them out together in one day [here in this article], however instead of ignoring and justifying them we must first recognize the validity [of this sad truth] and not compose articles and speeches declaring our innocence. It makes it easier for us to treat ourselves if we recognize the sickness. [For] self-treatment begins first by recognition. Then it is incumbent on us to repudiate our terrorist offspring, as they are a natural result of a distorted culture. Listen to what television sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi said, publicly issuing a fatwa giving permission to kill American civilians in Iraq. Imagine that, a religious scholar urging the killing of civilians, a sheik who belies the wisdom that old age supposedly brings, inciting the tender youth to kill civilians, [and] all the while he has two daughters who are studying in the safety of British protection in the infidel United Kingdom.

Which is why Qaradawi needs a bullet in his head.

How can a father like him face the mother whose son [Nick] Berg was butchered because he came to Iraq to work on industrial towers? How can we believe him when he says to us that Islam is a religion of mercy and tolerance while he is turning it into a religion of blood?

Um ... we can't?

Before this age of extremists, we considered leftists and nationalists as extremists, a source that undermined [our society] by their embrace of the principle of violence and their ease of adopting the vocation of murder; [whereas] the mosque was a place of secure comfort, and religious scholars were missionaries of peace and their sermons revolved around praiseworthy morals.

Not anymore, if it ever was that way.

Islam is tyrannized because of the new Muslims. [It is] an innocent religion - evidence of which is indicated in its scriptures that forbid the cutting of trees for the sake of causing harm, and classified murder as the greatest of sins, and condemns someone who even tramples on an insect, and rewards a person who quenches the thirst of a cat. This is the Islam that we knew before the rise of groups that “infidelize” [declare other people infidels] brought about by the organizations, curriculums and teachers whose thinking has been overcome by the political [radical] groups and thus polluted their religion and minds.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

It certainly doesn’t honor us that we are affiliated with those who take pupils as hostages in a school, and those who kidnap journalists, and those who kill civilians, and those who blow up buses (no matter what agonies these vengeful people may have suffered). These are the ones who disfigure and blacken the name of Islam. And we will not be able to improve our reputation until we recognize the clear and disgraceful truth: that most of the terrorist acts today in the world are perpetrated by the hands of Muslims. It is incumbent on us that we realize that we will not be able to reform the condition of our youth who commit these abominable crimes until we rectify the mentality of our sheiks who transform [themselves] into revolutionaries in their pulpits, sending other people’s children to wars while they send their children to European and American schools.

Straight from the horse's mouth. "All terrorists are Muslim," said by a Mulsim. I'll optimistically rate al-Rashid as a Moderate Muslim.™
Posted by Zenster 2004-12-28 1:02:14 PM||   2004-12-28 1:02:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 As I recall, Zen, the Shining Path terrorists weren't Muslim. Nor the Columbian left-wing terrorists. Nor the Maoist insane terrorists in Nepal. Nor Timothy McVeigh.

Truth in advertising: not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslim.

Damned sure are a lot of 'em, though ...
Posted by Steve White  2004-12-28 2:18:45 PM||   2004-12-28 2:18:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 the freemoslemcoalitionagainstterrorism http://www.freemuslims.org/
have a number of postings opposing terrorism

but as this posting at: http://www.secularislam.org/articles/khawaja23.htm
shows, the muslims against terrorism, while good people, aren't very true to actual Islamic texts
Posted by mhw 2004-12-28 2:31:51 PM||   2004-12-28 2:31:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Damned sure are a lot of 'em, though ...

A few too many for my tastes. I also seem to recall that the other groups you cite aren't vigorously seeking acquisition of biological or nuclear weapons to use against America.

While this doesn't change the fact that all of them are terrorist organizations, it clearly imposes some prioritization upon where and how we should focus and project our military power.
Posted by Zenster 2004-12-28 2:52:08 PM||   2004-12-28 2:52:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 ...creating a public opinion of social, anti-Islamic alarm...

Public opinion-the 21st century God of Spain. Omnipotent, infallible.
Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-28 2:55:07 PM||   2004-12-28 2:55:07 PM|| Front Page Top

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