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2005-01-12 Afghanistan/South Asia

Musharraf condemns sectarian violence that killed 14 in Pak

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Posted by Fred 2005-01-12 00:00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "moderate and enlightened Islamic welfare state."

Posted by 2b 2005-01-12 2:03:51 AM|| 2005-01-12 2:03:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 But if they aren't Islamic, Fred, they might as well just be part of India. And what could posssibly be worse than that?!?

Posted by trailing wife 2005-01-12 3:35:54 AM|| 2005-01-12 3:35:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Being Pakistan?

Posted by Fred 2005-01-12 8:33:03 AM|| 2005-01-12 8:33:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 "We shall not allow the extremists to take the society as hostage,"
"Hell no, that's our job" said the ISI.

Posted by Spot 2005-01-12 8:36:57 AM|| 2005-01-12 8:36:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 they might as well just be part of India

They could be what Jinnah wanted, a secular state FOR muslims, who in India have a distinct cultural history and identity from Hindus. Just as Ben Gurion envisioned Israel as a SECULAR state FOR Jews.

Has worked out less well in Pakland than in Israel (not that its worked perfectly in Israel, mind you) Possible reasons 1. The nature of Islam 2. The nature of Israel as an immigrant state freed it from certain kinds of tribalism Pakland was subject to. 3. The intense poverty and illiteracy of Pakland at independence. 4. Jinnah died shortly after independence, while Ben Gurion had time to set the state on the right path. 5. Pick the right enemies. Contests with Arabs gave the state of Israel reinforcing successes, while contests with India left Pakland with failures, which led to a turn away from secularism, which led to MORE failures, and MORE Islamism, in a downward cycle (till 9/11, and its been pretty touch and go since then)

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-12 2:09:01 PM|| 2005-01-12 2:09:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 More lettuce please.

Posted by Captain America 2005-01-12 4:48:29 PM|| 2005-01-12 4:48:29 PM|| Front Page Top

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