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2005-03-17 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Steve 2005-03-17 9:17:52 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 One of the things our Army is pretty good at is After Action Reviews and battlefield expedients. This will be heard, but whether or not it makes it into a budget line item depends on other priorities.

Posted by too true 2005-03-17 9:29:06 AM|| 2005-03-17 9:29:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I am not american but from what i have been reading it's all dificult because of red tape. Also lessons learned seems to not apply: Weapon shields something need that in every war shows up. Comparing with Italians had weapon shields in their veichles in Iraq from beginning

Posted by Hupomoque Spoluter7949 2005-03-17 10:17:35 AM|| 2005-03-17 10:17:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The US Army knew we needed them. It was a question of how many could be provided how quickly. The Italians were a small part of the coalition and brought only a small portion of their equipment. The US had to mass and supply over 100,000 troops and that's a different challenge.

Moreover, there are downsides to armoring every vehicle, unless you know for sure you will need it. Cost of shipping, fuel, repair are only part of the equation. So too is destruction of roads in country - okay if you are taking over against the Nazis, bad idea if you want an Iraqi economy to start up quickly.

Posted by too true 2005-03-17 10:26:22 AM|| 2005-03-17 10:26:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The tank crews also want all those new Internet commo goodies. They also want to be able to see the live vid feed from the UAV overhead.

Hammer Slamers are comming.

Posted by gromgorru 2005-03-17 10:37:45 AM|| 2005-03-17 10:37:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 No. I mean that the shields must be in place from the beginning, from the veichle concept.
I think there are too many layers between Army (the army that is in the field) the upper commanders and the Industry. It's a telling sign that soldiers have to buy friendly GPS, some night visions, and an host of usefull gadgets that the Army doesnt supply in first place.
Most of the armies suffer from the golden plate wonder weapon vicious, US being rich suffer more than most.

Posted by Hupomoque Spoluter7949 2005-03-17 10:56:02 AM|| 2005-03-17 10:56:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 It's a telling sign that soldiers have to buy friendly GPS

I heard some RUMORS that soldiers had to buy GPS during the Gulf War, but not this time around. I find it hard to believe we were underequipped in GPS; too much of the operations plan -- and fire discipline -- depended on units knowing where they are and where they should be.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-03-17 11:14:38 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-03-17 11:14:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 To my knowledge no U.S. forces (including National Guardsmen, who are the least well equipped) had to buy their own GPS.

Posted by Robin Burk 2005-03-17 11:56:44 AM|| 2005-03-17 11:56:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 The additional skirt side armor was used by the Germans in WWII to cause infantry anti-tank weapons to preignite before hitting the tanks main armor. I think a quick expedient would be to use multi-layered hurricane fence to achieve the same effect. However, both require the driver to take them in consideration when on the road as they will be scraped off if he cuts corners or buildings too tight.

Posted by Snung Snuth2112 2005-03-17 12:27:59 PM|| 2005-03-17 12:27:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 I've seen the slat armor on a British Challenger II. It is easy to mount and my guess is that you will see this on the M-1 soon. The fix for the 7.62mm gun is also easy and it does not require a complex heavy remote weapon station that requires substantial integration with the vehicle. Instead, they can get one of ours that fits in a pintle and just plugs into their standard power source. Easy, squeazy! Scuse me, I gotta go call TAACOM.

Posted by Remoteman 2005-03-17 1:11:28 PM|| 2005-03-17 1:11:28 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Hupomoque Spoluter7949 2005-03-17 11:33:18 AM|| 2005-03-17 11:33:18 AM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Hupomoque Spoluter7949 2005-03-17 11:33:18 AM|| 2005-03-17 11:33:18 AM|| Front Page Top

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