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2005-07-17 Arabia

A Poverty of Dignity and a Wealth of Rage

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Posted by tipper 2005-07-17 09:38|| || Front Page|| [11141 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 when did allah get to be a gawd? he a symbol of a minor rocky satellite that we will soon rape for it's precious water, leaving nothing but a dry husk for morons to wank over.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-17 11:38|| 2005-07-17 11:38|| Front Page Top

#2 In a nutshell: mohammedeans KNOW their culture is backwards, but are unable to change due to doctrinal rigidity. They KNOW that other cultures have leaped ahead precisely BECAUSE they are willing to re-examine their doctrines.

Posted by Brett 2005-07-17 11:49|| 2005-07-17 11:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Translation: Why do they hate us?

Regular New York Slimes BS.....

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-07-17 11:49|| 2005-07-17 11:49|| Front Page Top

#4 Nope, this is not NYT BS. Friedman occasionally gets it, and he gets it here. He's correct in that poverty isn't the problem. It's dignity. I think he's read Steven Den Beste, who wrote on this a long while back (and better, too).

Islamofascists belong to a failed society and failed culture. There's little dignity in most Islamic nations; little chance to get ahead; constant struggle to provide the basics for one's family. Young men in Islamic (and particularly Arabic) countries realize that life pretty much sucks. The job prospects are few, marriage prospects are bleak much before age 30, corruption is everywhere, clans rules one's life, and there's little entrepreneurial spirit outside the local bazaar. So it's easy to be led astray.

And it's easy even if you're a Muslim man in Europe. Friedman gets how young French muslim men are not French, not Muslim, and frankly, not men either. That creates a certain, dangerous attitude of bile and bitterness. Add in a holy man who's happy to manipulate this, and you have the proper conditions for struggle, splodydopes and Dire Revengeâ¢.

Now Friedman can't take the next step at this point: acknowledge that since the issue is dignity and not poverty, that Islamic culture has to change, and that we in the West -- to protect ourselves -- have to help lead and shape that change. Friedman is still at the stage of thinking that if only we understand them better, we'll be able to 'negotiate' something so that both cultures can live side-by-side in harmony.

We can't do that. The two cultures aren't and will not be equal because of the terrible imbalance in human dignity. One is going to prevail and that one is ours. We need to move the Islamic cultures to accept personal liberty and individual dignity as primary values in their societies. That's a radical change. Friedmand doesn't get it yet, but he's moving in that direction.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2005-07-17 14:02|| 2005-07-17 14:02|| Front Page Top

#5 Why, Steve, you made the case for Bush's ME portion of the Bush Doctrine quite well there in that last paragraph.

Tsk, tsk, my friend. Don't you know it's open season on Bush? Why, he hasn't addressed my private personal eye-ticks in the time-frame that suits me!

String 'im up!
:-)

Posted by .com 2005-07-17 14:22|| 2005-07-17 14:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Friedmand doesn't get it yet, but he's moving in that direction.

Maybe we should buy a plane ticket so Steven Den Beste can personally whack Friedman with a clue-by-four. Might knock some sense into him.

To continue Shipman's most eloquently expressed thought, since the Islamic calender is based on sightings of the phases of Earth's puny satellite, and Earth is pretty much the only place to get a good look, does this mean Islam is forever earthbound?

Once you get out around the gas giant planets with their multiple moons you start entertaining the idea of multiple deities which immediately makes you into an astro-infidel. Do fatwahs extend beyound geosynchronous orbit?

Posted by SteveS 2005-07-17 14:32|| 2005-07-17 14:32|| Front Page Top

#7 To continue Shipman's most eloquently expressed thought, since the Islamic calender is based on sightings of the phases of Earth's puny satellite, and Earth is pretty much the only place to get a good look, does this mean Islam is forever earthbound?
Damn! Did I say that? ahem.. yep, musta been me, of course. I was on that research track for years you know.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-17 14:58|| 2005-07-17 14:58|| Front Page Top

#8 Friedman is truly disgusting when he says: "I can understand, but never accept, suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel as part of a nationalist struggle. "

Those who claims to "understand" suicide bombing in Iraq and Israel is siding with the enemy. Whatever cause one may have, whatever grievance or objective, it is NEVER understandable to engage in terrorism. Saying something like that just gives cover to the Islamofascists.

Further Friedman is completely wrong in describing terrorism against Israel and Iraq as being somehow a "nationalist struggle". Both are Moslem-driven wars on life and freedom.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 15:00|| 2005-07-17 15:00|| Front Page Top

#9 "Some of these young Muslim men are tempted by a civilization they consider morally inferior, and they are humiliated by the fact that, while having been taught their faith is supreme, other civilizations seem to be doing much better,"

Some day they feel they need to be a suicide bomber to pay a sort of penance for their sins of living in freedom. With the right influence how scary is this.
I would like to see all folks regardless of various faiths show a tribute to the country they are in. To stand apart from the radical's that we know are among us.

Posted by Jan 2005-07-17 17:14|| 2005-07-17 17:14|| Front Page Top

#10 The author dances around things aimlessly. It's not about a poverty of dignity and a wealth of rage. Nice try though at making it all make sense. If that be the case then there are alot of sociopathic boomers who have missed their calling. Lack of dignity and excess rage can be found in many people and in many places for a variety of reasons. Some of God's seething chitlins get sociopathic. The special thing is the religion and what it says and the role it plays in the lives of adherents. You want a root cause? There it be methinks. Ugly but seemingly true. Don't choke on it please. The author of the article could have said it in four words without the goddamn "tolerant" faith BS being shoveled out once again. But that's not pretty to say and it won't meet the minimum word count requirement. Ah well. Mayhaps the author should reconsider who he calls "friend."

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-17 23:45|| 2005-07-17 23:45|| Front Page Top

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