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2005-10-09 Afghanistan-Pak-India

~~3,000~~ ~~18,000~~ 30,000 die as quake causes devastation

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Posted by Fred 2005-10-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Does anyone know how bad the destruction is in Afghanistan?

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-10-09 00:04|| 2005-10-09 00:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Haven't seen much. Afgha.com has a report that there were two kids killed in Jalalabad, but nothing else. I'd guess most of the worst is in Pak Kashmir.

Posted by Fred 2005-10-09 00:09|| 2005-10-09 00:09|| Front Page Top

#3 It must have been at the eastern edge of the the Hindu Kush, then.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-10-09 00:12|| 2005-10-09 00:12|| Front Page Top

#4 It was along the Indo Paki border.

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-10-09 00:14|| 2005-10-09 00:14|| Front Page Top

#5 As a licensed Civil Engineer in CA and a holder of BSCE and extended studies regarding structural engineering ( 14 units short of MSCE) I think it's a sign Allan doesn't like Muslims. Gotta be....using the Koran and Mooslim MSM as my source of all reputable and widely-held knowledge, then, this time, the Muzzies are fucked. Allan's pissed...something about Thailand and Bali....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-10-09 00:19|| 2005-10-09 00:19|| Front Page Top

#6 or it could be a Earth-crust shift like a bazillion before...just more fun to let the natives know it goes both ways :-)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-10-09 00:21|| 2005-10-09 00:21|| Front Page Top

#7 I'd give it a couple days before some turban hollers that it's God's punishment because they're not holy enough.

Posted by Fred 2005-10-09 00:24|| 2005-10-09 00:24|| Front Page Top

#8 Yeah, so more jihad for everyone.

Posted by Rafael 2005-10-09 00:27|| 2005-10-09 00:27|| Front Page Top

#9 Is it wrong to presume that many of Pakistan's splendid madrassahs may not have been built exactly to code? Were they all full because the quake hit at prayer-time? One can only hope.

Posted by Zenster 2005-10-09 00:47|| 2005-10-09 00:47|| Front Page Top

#10 Kashmir..no evidence here of tectonic plates or movement of the earth's crust.

Masherbrum Mt. Kashmir... Nope.

rocky shute w/ climber...Nope

highest battallion base in the world. PAK
...Nope

Posted by Red Dog 2005-10-09 00:54|| 2005-10-09 00:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Kashmir..Masherbrum Mt....Nope.

http://www.tomaatnet.nl/~wesker/jpg/jow58.jpg

Posted by Red Dog 2005-10-09 01:09|| 2005-10-09 01:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Followup: AP sets the toll at 18,000.

From the same folks who told you 10,000 died in NOLA. The don't have the slightese idea.

Posted by Glereng Chaiger5794 2005-10-09 11:15|| 2005-10-09 11:15|| Front Page Top

#13 Via Instapundit, here's a good blog round-up of earthquake news: The Moderate Voice.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-10-09 11:17|| 2005-10-09 11:17|| Front Page Top

#14 CNN reports that Musharraf asked the US to send choppers from Afganistan.

A good time to drop off some teams...

Posted by 3dc 2005-10-09 11:26|| 2005-10-09 11:26|| Front Page Top

#15 Well, let's see?

Katrina death toll, 1,200 (Non Muslim Nation)

Today's earthquake toll 18,000
Tsunami death toll 118,000
Total 136,000

Afganistan, 97% Muslim 136,000 Dead
United States 1% Muslim 1,200 Dead

Ratio 113.3 Muslims dead to 1 Non-Muslim Dead

Conclusion.
God (Name your own) Doesn't like Muslims.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-10-09 11:37|| 2005-10-09 11:37|| Front Page Top

#16 RJ - to paraphrase someone else -

Life is tough. It's a lot tougher if you're stupid.

Posted by Ebbugum Flavirt6621 2005-10-09 11:47|| 2005-10-09 11:47|| Front Page Top

#17 Global warming? Baaaad Bush!

Posted by Bobby 2005-10-09 11:58|| 2005-10-09 11:58|| Front Page Top

#18 Conclusion.
God (Name your own) Doesn't like Muslims.

And his aim is improving, each strike is closer and closer.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-10-09 12:02|| 2005-10-09 12:02|| Front Page Top

#19 The Haliburton E/T division is getting that thing calibrated better, I see.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-10-09 12:13|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-10-09 12:13|| Front Page Top

#20 hey maybe Osama bin hit in the head wid a rock!
Insh'allah

Posted by Red Dog 2005-10-09 12:21|| 2005-10-09 12:21|| Front Page Top

#21 Pakistan Observer 9/25/05:The Holy Qurâan reveals destruction and extermination of nations through such natural disasters that had ignored Almighty Allahâs commandments. Itâs time for the ~~Pakistani~~ American people to bow before God and seek His forgiveness and protection from the divine retribution.

Posted by GK 2005-10-09 13:09|| 2005-10-09 13:09|| Front Page Top

#22 South Asia Quake help.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-10-09 13:59|| 2005-10-09 13:59|| Front Page Top

#23 how about a little respect for the 30,000 dead? Jeesh. 30,000. Think about that for a moment. I usually have a pretty good and often dark sense of humor, but if 30,000 is true, I'm not finding much humor here.

Posted by 2b 2005-10-09 15:09|| 2005-10-09 15:09|| Front Page Top

#24 Meanwhile, Allen is very, very cross with the LeT

So is the Indian Army (they killed 8 infiltrators on the LOC this morning)

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Scores of activists from an Islamist charity linked to a banned Pakistani militant organisation died in the devastating earthquake that struck Pakistan's border with India at the weekend.

The militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, was outlawed by Pakistan in January 2002, a month after its fighters were accused of taking part in an attack on India's parliament in New Delhi -- an act that brought South Asia's nuclear rivals to the brink of war.

A spokesman for Jamat-ud-Dawa, a group drawn from the ranks of Lashkar, said the charity's mosques, hospitals, schools and Islamic seminaries were obliterated in Saturday's earthquake that killed more than 20,000 people.

"Many of our members have been killed. They are in scores while several others are still trapped under the rubble," the spokesman said on Sunday.

The spokesman, who did not want to be identified, said the Taiba hospital run by Jamat-ud-Dawa in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistani
Kashmir, and several of its mosques and offices were destroyed.

Posted by john 2005-10-09 15:12|| 2005-10-09 15:12|| Front Page Top

#25 Salvation Army quake assistance

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-10-09 15:26|| 2005-10-09 15:26|| Front Page Top

#26 good! and no I'm not gonna apologize

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-10-09 15:35|| 2005-10-09 15:35|| Front Page Top

#27 2b, i agree, as much as they gloat at our natural disaters, celebrate 911 etc, as if allen is dishing out punishment...There are women and children buried under rubble..Lets all have some respect...Think about it for a second.

Posted by Shistos Shistadogloo 2005-10-09 15:36|| 2005-10-09 15:36|| Front Page Top

#28 A spokesman for Jamat-ud-Dawa, a group drawn from the ranks of Lashkar, said the charity's mosques, hospitals, schools and Islamic seminaries were obliterated in Saturday's earthquake that killed more than 20,000 people.

Boy howdy, that forcefully extracted one or two lachrymose molecules from my tear ducts. Now where did I put my femto-violin?

While this disaster is nothing I would wish upon myriad innocents, Pakistan has been the prime nexus of so much proliferation and regional instability that it is high time this nation's people gain an understanding of how internal corruption has crippled building code enforcement, emergency preparedness and a host of other critical civil services that could have gone a long way towards ameliorating the current death toll.

I make no fun of the many innocent women and children that have died in this disaster. I do find it nearly impossible to mourn the demise of so many able-bodied men who very cheerfully commited themselves to the cause of genocide and atrocities.

Good riddance.

Posted by Zenster 2005-10-09 16:03|| 2005-10-09 16:03|| Front Page Top

#29 If this had happend to a town full of flag burning, finger waving, OSB plakard holding nutters then that is a different story.....

Posted by Shistos Shistadogloo 2005-10-09 16:13|| 2005-10-09 16:13|| Front Page Top

#30 I guess you can say; 'they had it comin...!', paying their respects to Katrina and Rita...and a fine 'How do you do?!'

Posted by smn 2005-10-09 16:22|| 2005-10-09 16:22|| Front Page Top

#31 What happened in Islamabad: An eyewitness account
WHAT I SAW AND GATHERED

http://kashmirimages.info/default.asp?url=Opinion.htm

I saw the jihadi outfits working very actively. The defunct Lashkar-e-Taiba (presently called Jamat ud Dawa) was the most active of them all. Dawa workers did not have good equipment but they were trying to using a heavy hammer to rescue the people stranded inside. Dawa's number two Makki was of the view that the earthquake was a punishment from Allah to his sinful people. "We have drifted away from the teachings of Islam and abandoned jihad. The people of Islamabad are corrupt to the bones. They are proud of their real estate property. God has taught them a lesson. We should open our eyes and seek Allah's forgiveness and come to the right path i.e. the path of jihad." He said.
According to the eyewitnesses, when the tower collapsed, the passersby started picking up the belongings of the people instead of helping them.

Posted by john 2005-10-09 20:05|| 2005-10-09 20:05|| Front Page Top

#32 Well, given what we've seen about Katrina and Rita, I expect to find that the casualty estimates right now are higher than they will eventually turn out to be, and that the people that died are going to turn out to not be the corrupt politicians who helped set up the situation in Pakistan in the first place.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-10-09 20:14|| 2005-10-09 20:14|| Front Page Top

#33 Would it be a good thing or a bad thing to send FEMA to help?

Posted by Grans Theting3646 2005-10-09 20:17|| 2005-10-09 20:17|| Front Page Top

#34 We have drifted away from the teachings of Islam and abandoned jihad

toldja so...not that a blind man couldn't see this reaction coming a mile away

Posted by Rafael 2005-10-09 20:26|| 2005-10-09 20:26|| Front Page Top

#35 Ditto, Rafael. A true BGO (Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious).

Posted by Zenster 2005-10-09 21:41|| 2005-10-09 21:41|| Front Page Top

#36 The Indian subcontinent is moving at 40 mm/year. From my work in 1970 to 1972 on the San Andreas fault in California, we measured steady regional shifts of 30 mm/year. On Roberta Drive in Woodside (down below SF), we took repeated measurements across the old fault line. Locked up tight. There was a 3' dia redwood stump left over from 1906 quake. The west half of the stump was 12' further north than their right side. That is a lot of strain released! The movement in the Indian theater of seismic operations is 1/3 more than that of California.

The thing that impressed me about pictures of building rubble and damage is the almost total lack of reinforcing rods in stone masonry and concrete. The apartment concrete floors had rebar, but they were pancaked on each other due to the failure of the columns. Typical third world SOP.

Insh'Allah my behind! Ignorance, corruption, and lack of leadership on the part of governments.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-10-09 21:58|| 2005-10-09 21:58|| Front Page Top

#37 Of course we mourn the death of innocents, as anyone with a heart must. BUT, they died because the buildings fell on them as a result of the earthquake. Those who knowingly built substandard buildings (and I suspect that if we'd sent Frank G. over to check before the quake, we'd have found not one building up to standard) are the ones who murdered them.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-10-09 22:03|| 2005-10-09 22:03|| Front Page Top

#38 No one in my neighborhood was in the street handing out candy and undulating over this.

allenists can learn a whole bunch from us but they won't.

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-10-09 22:11|| 2005-10-09 22:11|| Front Page Top

#39 they weren't - AP has clue #1 - pancakes instead of boxes....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-10-09 22:13|| 2005-10-09 22:13|| Front Page Top

#40 It seems they never learn (regarding quality control and corruption in the construction industry). Granted the article is about India, but Pakistan can't be that much different.

Posted by Rafael 2005-10-09 22:17|| 2005-10-09 22:17|| Front Page Top

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