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2005-11-02 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by tipper 2005-11-02 03:28|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 There's a problem with Dalrymple's explanation of what's going on in the mind of a suicide bomber: it doesn't fit the facts of those in places like Bali, Iraq, etc. I find it hard to believe that an Indonesian Muslim is hard-pressed to maintain a Muslim identity, given the way the government treats non-Muslims.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-11-02 07:40|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-11-02 07:40|| Front Page Top

#2 I agree, RC. Dalrymple missed the mark here. He glossed over the recruiting and indoctrination aspects. Another factor that we have very little insight into (and may never have) is the role that family and tribe play in selecting suicide bombers, especially in the majority Islamic countries. Part of me thinks that the bombers are "given up" by their tribes and families. Maybe they are trouble makers or "weak sisters." At any rate they are not contributing to the tribe and are sacrificed to preserve the tribe.

Posted by 11A5S 2005-11-02 08:22|| 2005-11-02 08:22|| Front Page Top

#3 The other problem with his analysis is that it ignores the historical roots of the suicider in Muslim society, going all the way back to the Assassins.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-11-02 10:41|| 2005-11-02 10:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Self-hatred doesn't only arise from mispending one's youth caving in to debased western cultures. I think he's on to something with the mating of inner and outer jihad.

Posted by James">James 2005-11-02 11:05|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2005-11-02 11:05|| Front Page Top

#5 Part of me thinks that the bombers are "given up" by their tribes and families. Maybe they are trouble makers or "weak sisters." At any rate they are not contributing to the tribe and are sacrificed to preserve the tribe.
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I may have to open me Anthro books. I'll bet it's not the weak sisters tho, younger brothers trying to help out best they can? Hummmm.....

Every man
must plan and plan
to protect his clan
as best he can.

Fred Pruitt?

Posted by Shipman 2005-11-02 15:52|| 2005-11-02 15:52|| Front Page Top

#6 You've hit the nail on the head. Thats precisely why the IDF demolishes 'mom and pop' residences after a bombing. Along with the termination of Saddams survivor assistance checks, if Amed and his family know the homeplace and toyota pickup are going to smashed by a D9 CAT, the incentive is diminished considerably. Old testiment writings were pretty specific about the treatment of battlefield survivors and tribal non-combatants. It wasn't pretty, but it reduced recidivism.

Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-02 16:02|| 2005-11-02 16:02|| Front Page Top

#7 Everybody and their pet theory about shahids.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-11-02 19:02|| 2005-11-02 19:02|| Front Page Top

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