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2005-12-14 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Rafsanjani: Muslims Could Nuke Israel, Get Away With It

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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-12-14 09:18|| || Front Page|| [12 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Start hoardin' cans o tuna and ammo. I believe this makes perfectly clear the Mad Mullahs' intentions to obliterate Israel. His statement does not, however, take into account what the US response would be. They don't believe we will do anything.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-12-14 09:28|| 2005-12-14 09:28|| Front Page Top

#2 What I do not understand is that any nuclear attack on Israel would take out all of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and most of Jordan. I guess taking out Hashemites and Palestinians as well as Jews would be a feature, not a bug. Armageddon indeed.

Irony indeed that the sole protector of the Palestinian state is the hated Jeeeeews.

Posted by john">john 2005-12-14 09:35|| 2005-12-14 09:35|| Front Page Top

#3 Is this new? I thought he said the same thing a long time ago.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-12-14 09:44|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-12-14 09:44|| Front Page Top

#4 Hold on - this isn't new - it's exactly what Rafsanjani said on Dec 14, 2001.

Posted by .com 2005-12-14 09:54|| 2005-12-14 09:54|| Front Page Top

#5 John - the fact that the 'Muslim World' doesn't give a rats ass about the Palistinians comes as no suprise.

The thing is the U.N. and MSM would spin any nuke attack to appear to be Israel's fault. "She was asking for it..." just as they do now - today - with the Palistinians deliberate targetting and murdering of innocent civilians. Muslims will get a 'pass' - after all the victims are 'only jews'.

Hell they will probably give Rafsanjani a Nobel Peace Prize!

Not that it would deter Israel's response. I wonder where the Iranian 'leadershit' will be hiding... Perhaps we should lend Israel some of our nuke bunker-buster tech.....

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-12-14 09:54|| 2005-12-14 09:54|| Front Page Top

#6 Sorry, RC - I was diggin up the link. But yes, indeed, I knew I recognized the words, too.

Posted by .com 2005-12-14 09:55|| 2005-12-14 09:55|| Front Page Top

#7 He did say this a long time ago so he's either saying it again or someone dug up the old quotes to remind people what's really on this guys mind.

If he did say it again it fits my guess that they are trying to provoke an attack, probably because they are unsure their own weapons will work and need deniability and a clear external enemy to rally the radicals around.

Posted by rjschwarz 2005-12-14 09:56|| 2005-12-14 09:56|| Front Page Top

#8 There was some speculation a while back about a scenario in which the Mad Mullahs or their proxies would detonate its own nuke in a Muslim population center if they could set it up to look like a Israeli strike...

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-12-14 09:58|| 2005-12-14 09:58|| Front Page Top

#9 Ruling Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani declared Friday that the Muslim world could survive a nuclear exchange with Israel - while accomplishing the goal of obliterating the Jewish state.

Not without paying a heavy price in their own blood and other aspects. If he thinks otherwise, he's terribly mistaken.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-14 10:12|| 2005-12-14 10:12|| Front Page Top

#10 No, he's crazy.

Posted by Flolutch Glinesing6100 2005-12-14 10:40|| 2005-12-14 10:40|| Front Page Top

#11 Total over the top delusional idiots. The more they talk the more they make Mao, Kruschev and the other shoe bangers look like Nobel Peace Prize standouts.

Posted by Enrico Fermi 2005-12-14 11:06|| 2005-12-14 11:06|| Front Page Top

#12 When he said this in 2001, I believe, we hadn't discovered their nuclear program yet. Now that they are a few months away from being able to build a nuke and launch it with their existing missile tech, a statement like that provokes a new sense of urgency. They are shit-house crazy and I don't think they would stop to consider the ramifications of doing something like this. They havent learned a thing about Israel or us in the last 30 years, have they?

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-12-14 11:07|| 2005-12-14 11:07|| Front Page Top

#13 Here's what needs to be done:

(1) Israel to redeploy all its nukes on submarines to ensure second strike capability (may have already started doing this).

(2)Israel to make it known than after any nuclear attack on them, the whole of Iran PLUS Mecca and Medina get wiped out by Israel.

(3) After clearing up the mess, the whole of Palestine is declared a muslim-free zone, to be populated by Jews from the diaspora and any Old Testament Christians willing to lend a helping hand. Buddhists also welome.

Posted by Apostate 2005-12-14 11:36|| 2005-12-14 11:36|| Front Page Top

#14 but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world,

By "damages", I assume he means the 128 Most Holy Places of Islam would be warm, radioactive glass.

For 50 years, Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) worked with the Soviets because no matter what their goals, deep down, they were ultimately rational and wanted to survive. This is exactly why MAD will not work with the Islamists.

What those wacky mullahs are leaving out of their calculations is that once this starts, others will have to get involved on the grounds that if Iran did it once, they would have no qualms about doing it again.

Posted by SteveS 2005-12-14 12:56|| 2005-12-14 12:56|| Front Page Top

#15 There was some speculation a while back about a scenario in which the Mad Mullahs or their proxies would detonate its own nuke in a Muslim population center if they could set it up to look like a Israeli strike...

If Israel had any intention of doing such a thing, it would have happened a long time ago. The restraint shown by the Israelis is nothing short of superhuman. I remain awed that they did not step in and snuff Arafat long before his all too timely demise.

A simple map needs to be released showing how, should Israel be attacked with nuclear weapons, every major population center and shrine in the the entire Middle East will become uninhabitable radioactive wasteland. In their primative and non-quantitative reality, the mullahs have ZERO concept of what actually awaits their obsessive aggression against Israel.

At some point, the remaining Middle East nations will need to consider military intervention against Iran, if only to stop the mullahs from getting EVERYONE killed.

And finally, DECAP these monster raving mullah loons NOW!

Posted by Zenster 2005-12-14 13:49|| 2005-12-14 13:49|| Front Page Top

#16 I don't believe Rafsanjani is crazy - Ahmadinejad, sure - but not old Raf. He is a rational actor. He's in it for himself as well as being on the other side, but he's rational, and we could play MAD with him if necessary. He wants to live to enjoy what he has taken from the people. Unfortunately a total nutcase beat him the recent elections, and we need his behind-the-scenes restraining influence.

Posted by Jake-the-Peg 2005-12-14 13:54|| 2005-12-14 13:54|| Front Page Top

#17 These statements by Rfsanjani and others lead me to believe they actually have no idea what a nuclear explosion does. What part of Israel can they safely bomb without making Jerusalem, and therefore, the Dome of the Rock Mosque, uninhabitable?

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-12-14 13:57|| 2005-12-14 13:57|| Front Page Top

#18 And Rafi was the "moderate" presidential candidate. It's as bad as labeling sKerry a war hero.

Posted by Captain America 2005-12-14 14:00|| 2005-12-14 14:00|| Front Page Top

#19 It doesn't matter, DB. The Wahhabs are just as likely to collapse the Dome on their own pointy heads by their own excavation work. They have been gleefully bulldozing their own historic sites in Mecca. All that matters is dead Jooos. And once they're gone from the Levant, the biggest remaining pocket of Jooos is right here in the U S of A.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-12-14 14:04|| 2005-12-14 14:04|| Front Page Top

#20
"They don't believe we will do anything."

With good cause! Because we won't do a damn thing. Our Congress and Senate are a bunch cock smoking nancy-boyz on both sides of the aisle.

Israel knows they are toast, I just hope they lay waste to Iran and half the ME before they go under.

Posted by Doitnow 2005-12-14 14:34|| 2005-12-14 14:34|| Front Page Top

#21 Come on everybody. Let's be rational. A unsolicited nuclear attack on another country is no big deal. Americans have paid reporters to print stories, and hazed prisioners. Let's keep things in perspective here.

Posted by plainslow 2005-12-14 14:43|| 2005-12-14 14:43|| Front Page Top

#22 Folks, nukes are nothing to play with, but some of the talk on this topic is nonsense. A nuke has a blast radius commensurate with its size. The Iranians are building either a U235 bomb, or a plutonium bomb. Those have a maximum size. Only thermonuclear (H-bomb) blasts are big enough to "wipe out" Israel.

The Iranian bomb, if it's ever built, will probably be somewhere on the size of 20Kt to 100Kt. That gives a blast radius of between 3NM and 7NM for 90% destruction, up to 15NM for 50% destruction, and no more than about 35NM for 0-25% destruction, depending upon the lay of the land and the type of construction used in structures. There is a LOT of land in Israel. While the country's not very wide, it's long. If the Iranian strike Tel Aviv, Haifa, Beersheba and Eilat survive. The Israelis WILL retaliate. How, and to what degree, are questions I can't answer. There's no way, though, that a single nuclear strike on Israel would destroy the entire nation.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-12-14 16:22|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-12-14 16:22|| Front Page Top

#23 Old Patriot - They won't launch just one. They've got to launch at least "several" since Israel has some basic ABM capabilities.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats 2005-12-14 17:16|| 2005-12-14 17:16|| Front Page Top

#24 I dont think Raffie-boy can hold his wad that long.

And Ahmadinejad definately sounds like a premature shooter to me.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-12-14 17:33|| 2005-12-14 17:33|| Front Page Top

#25 I sure hope we're working OT with Armenia. They seem to be everybody's back door. To the extent that Georgia and the Kurds can be "got right", if Armenia can be as well, there's a huge wedge handy for use. I hope Israel is working there also. Be interesting if Iran begins developing some internal problems in the next few months, from some unexpected directions.

Posted by Thomoger Greack2769 2005-12-14 18:04|| 2005-12-14 18:04|| Front Page Top

#26 If Rafsanjani thought they could survive, they would bomb Israel tomorrow morning before first prayer. This is a lot of hot air from a gas bag.

Posted by Besoeker 2005-12-14 18:22|| 2005-12-14 18:22|| Front Page Top

#27 Would Israel hit back with a-bomb, n-bombs, h-bombs, cobalt-bombs or something else?

If the South Alantic Flash was their test then the must have a n-bomb or something similar.

Posted by 3dc 2005-12-14 20:55|| 2005-12-14 20:55|| Front Page Top

#28 Israel has about 200 modern warheads, ranging from 200kT to a few 1MT units.

4 airburst 200kT over mecca is enough to eradicate it, likewise Medina, etc. a 1 MT airburst over Qom (Holiest city in Iran) would obliterate it,

Remember, Israeli nukes would be targeting a lot of brick and frame structures, whcih woudl not resist the heat and overpressures nearly as well as the modern steel and concrete structures the nuke balst calculations were based on.

With 200 assorted warheads, Israel could glass every major muslim population concentration in the middle east, as well as vaporizing every significant holy site the Muslims have. Basically, in terms of Muslims left in the middle east, there would be about 25 million less of them in an instant with dobule that number dead within a year. 50% of Arab muslims east of suez simply ceasing to exist, along with Mecca, Medina, etc. Same goes for Iran - net effect woudl be for half of Irans population to be dead within a year, mainly those in the urban areas.

Remember there are 1 billion Muslims in the world (estimated), but most of the large muslim populations are in SW Asia and toward the pacific - like Indonesia).

The world economy would collapse absent quick action to sieze the oil fields and refineries by western aligned forces.

This would probably include Iraq's expansion to "control" the coastal oil fields of Iran, the US trained Kurds siezing Northern Iran and the Caspain oil fields, and the US and Emirates siezing coastal Saudi oil fields and facilities with British and Indian troops.

The "Winner" would be Iraq and Lebanon, and possibly Egypt if they stay out (so Israel doesnt nuke them too).

The big losers woudl be the Jews, who woudl die in large nubmers, and Iran & Saudi, who will be bascially destroyed as a society.

And of course, the Mulsims world wide would be praying 5 times a day toward a pile of radioactive slag, until their religion gets banned and/or abandoned for the worship of a violent evil false prophet and his lies that it is.

Posted by Oldspook 2005-12-14 21:35|| 2005-12-14 21:35|| Front Page Top

#29 Oh - to address things I forgot to answer (implict in the warhead yields):

Israel likely has a few fission bombs, but the more likely have a complete thermonuclear arsenal. They are far more reliable and better yeild and maintainability. Plus in terms of yield vs warhead weight, thermo wins hands down.

I know for sure I woudl not want to be on the reciving end of the surviving Israeli forces that have slipped the nuclear leash - East Jerusalem will be the graveyard of many muslims at the end of Israeli bullets and bayonets. The dome of the rock will be bulldozed.

Real gotterdamemrung stuff.

Posted by Oldspook 2005-12-14 21:40|| 2005-12-14 21:40|| Front Page Top

#30 Old Spook - a few questions aside from the military. Say you're an sunni arab politico listening to Ahmednsbaziaew whatever, and you're within, say, 150 miles or close fallout range of Eretz Israel. And say Israel has made clear enough their policy as you've outlined. Wouldn't you be real tempted to let Iran know they're treading a little too close? And is there any chance of making a Sunni/Shia military split - as in letting Iran know their nukes are strategically worthless since you'd rather not be sacrificed for the greater glory along with the neighborhood infidels? And would you somehow let Iran know, oh so quietly that an attack on Israel is also an attack on you? And do you think one outcome of tomorrow's election is the possibility of a Shia/Sunni state thinking along those lines which already has a wee shared military history with the Medes?

Then again - they could just be crazy Persians. Be a shame if all those Palestinians barely survive the "occupation" only to get slaughtered from afar.

Posted by Thomoger Greack2769 2005-12-14 22:14|| 2005-12-14 22:14|| Front Page Top

#31 Problem is you are expecting rational thoguhts from religious fanatics behind the triggers in Iran.

At least with Kimmie in Korea you have some delusions of reality that keep him from pulling the trigger, liek a Chinese leash on his power structure.

In Iran, you have no such restraints - the political culture is corrupt and the destruction of democatic society by the Mullahs has left no check or control to thier power. Look at how they rigged the election, and now are answerable to nobody. They dont even listen to their own peopel - so having the Pallys or Sunni be able to talk to them is even less probable.

These guys are as rational as Hitler in the bunker in Berlin. And just as vicious. The difference is they have nukes and a religious fanatacism thats driving them toward their destruction and the destruction of all around them.

Posted by Oldspook 2005-12-14 23:59|| 2005-12-14 23:59|| Front Page Top

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