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2006-06-01 Terror Networks

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Posted by Steve 2006-06-01 15:15|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Interesting - I've seen almost no discussion of the problem of Iran's drive to nukes that doesn't mention the problem of deterring those who think martyrdom is the noblest death. A lot of them are pretty uncomfortable the choices that seems to leave on the table (aggressive preemption), but they certainly seem to acknowledge it.

Posted by Slavinter Angaiting5647 2006-06-01 16:44|| 2006-06-01 16:44|| Front Page Top

#2 A lot of those who loudly demand the chance to martyr themselves become very quiet when an opportunity occurs. As for the rest, our factories make lots of bullets, and other sharp things.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-06-01 16:52|| 2006-06-01 16:52|| Front Page Top

#3 So what achieves deterrence? I would propose that the situation is even worse than suggested, because it is not just the death-seeking fanatic who wants nuclear weapons, but the common man on the street.

Iranians missed out on the "nuclear terror" that gripped the West and Russia. Forty years of culture shock leading to a grudging acceptance, but always fearing the worst.

But for the Iranians, it is just a big bomb that makes them powerful and able to "feel safe", because *nobody* will mess with somebody who has "the bomb". It is Aladdin's djinn, who will grant them all their hearts' desires.

We cannot educate them otherwise. And even if we blew up a small bomb upwind of one of their cities, so that they saw the horrors, the pain and the suffering, they *might* learn.

BUT NOBODY ELSE WOULD.

So our alternative is dividing their nation into such pieces that they can no longer make nukes. To take away their resources, and give them to other nations to use and protect.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-06-01 17:54|| 2006-06-01 17:54|| Front Page Top

#4 Deterrence is irrelevant here. Punishment, plain and simple. For example, I don't support the death penalty because it is a deterrent, but because it punishes the evil of murder. Muzzies understand punishment. Acoording to allen's book he's dishing it out all the time. So, the next time a nuclear facility raises it's ugly head in Iran, obliterate it from the sand. Let's see if we run out of bombs before they run out of money.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-06-01 18:17|| 2006-06-01 18:17|| Front Page Top

#5 During the Cold War, while there were organized Comunist- and USSR/Soviet-centric groups, inclduing armed factios, in the West, these for the most part worked in the shadows, and were succesfully kept benign either voluntarily andor by external legal means, and despite "blurps" or incidents of notoriety or violence. I agree that Cold-War, Western-style bilateral or multilateral deterrence will NOT work with the fanatical, death- and jihad/war-centric Radical Islamists. Unlike the Soviets or Red China, whom wished to avoid mutually destructive global nuclear war while working to econ- or societally implode the capitalist West vv bilateral, "managed" escalatory competition just as the West was doing against the Commie Bloc, the Radical Islamists are interested only in immediate submission, concession, appeasement, and espec IMMEDIATE CONVERSION! Islam is by definition the ULTIMATE/FINAL form-model of belief in God-Society ergo the ultimate-final cannot be the one which surrenders or is inferior to lower forms-modelsof faith and society. FOR NOW, THE COMMON ENEMY FOR BOTH RADICAL ISLAM AND SECULAR LEFTISM-SOCIALISM IS UNIPOLAR HYPERPOWER AMERICA - IFF AND WHEN AMERICA IS EVER DEFEATED OR DESTROYED, THE DAY AFTER ALL BETS ARE OFF AS TO RADICAL ISLAM WARRING AGAINST SECULAR LEFTISM-SOCIALISM, THE GOD/FAITH-BASED LEFT VS. THE SECULAR ATHIEST LEFT OVER THE REMNANTS OF THE WORLD!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-06-01 20:50|| 2006-06-01 20:50|| Front Page Top

#6 Does anyoen recall the old saying that the Chinese didn't fear a nuclear war because they could absorb the casualties?

That is what the Chinese wanted the rest of the world to think, even though it would also mean loss of the party of any real power in the aftermath. Its not what is real, it is what you can make others think is real for your agenda.

Posted by Shinemp Ebbitch6305 2006-06-01 22:07|| 2006-06-01 22:07|| Front Page Top

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