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2006-07-04

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Posted by Steve White 2006-07-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It's also the anniversary of the surrender of Vicksburg. "The Father of Waters now flows unvexed to the sea."

Posted by Mike 2006-07-04 00:29|| 2006-07-04 00:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Damn that war of Northern Agression, way too many great Americans died.

Posted by RD 2006-07-04 03:15|| 2006-07-04 03:15|| Front Page Top

#3 Where is Stuart? Where are my eyes? Damn that man!

Posted by Cralet Jeth6763 2006-07-04 03:22|| 2006-07-04 03:22|| Front Page Top

#4 It's not over.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-04 06:54|| 2006-07-04 06:54|| Front Page Top

#5 Damn that war of Northern Agression, way too many great Americans died.

Funny this non-American ever thought it was a war of Southern Agression (Fort Sumter).

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-07-04 07:05|| 2006-07-04 07:05|| Front Page Top

#6 BTW. This is rich. Hard left siding with the Klan about Iraq war.

Context: Here in France the chic Left often uses the trick: voting this, being of this opinion is being on the same side than Front National and that it is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. They did it about trying to persuade people to vote YES to Euro-Constitution. I wonder what would happen if Le Pen told that Earth rotates around the Sun.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-07-04 07:17|| 2006-07-04 07:17|| Front Page Top

#7 It's also a time to recall the valiant men of the 1st Somme Offensive. 90 years ago.

Posted by 6 2006-07-04 07:58|| 2006-07-04 07:58|| Front Page Top

#8 Funny this non-American ever thought it was a war of Southern Agression (Fort Sumter).

Shh! Don't remind them that they fired the first shot! ;)

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-07-04 08:09|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-07-04 08:09|| Front Page Top

#9 Although Fort sumter was the first major engagement between the US and CS the first shots were actually fired by some Union picketts at Fort Pickens near Pensacola.
Ace and I don't like the KKK.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-07-04 08:37|| 2006-07-04 08:37|| Front Page Top

#10 Go get 'em, Deacon. And give Ace a carrot for me LOL.

Posted by lotp 2006-07-04 08:53|| 2006-07-04 08:53|| Front Page Top

#11 Although Fort sumter was the first major engagement between the US and CS the first shots were actually fired by some Union picketts at Fort Pickens near Pensacola.
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Small arms fire doesn't count. Small arms fire is a soldier's decision and can be triggered as well by rebel militiamen entering a no-go zone as by a nervous soldier who has heard a rabbit in a bush.

A cannon shot is an officer's decision and a whole bombardment lasting for over 24 hours is at least a general's decision. I don't have my sources at hand for knowing if Beauregard attacked from his own iniciative, from orders of the South Carolina government or if the order came directly from Jefferson Davis. What matters is not on which side was the first private who fired on the other side but which president was first to order fire. And it wasn't Lincoln.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-07-04 09:07|| 2006-07-04 09:07|| Front Page Top

#12 This is rich. Hard left siding with the Klan about Iraq war.

Nothing has really changed JFM. The usual suspects who bedeviled Lincoln and the effort to end tyranny back then are of the same cloth and party this time around too.

Posted by Slomoper Jolumble7671 2006-07-04 09:30|| 2006-07-04 09:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Overall I agree, JFM, but the traiding of rifle shots was an indication that sooner or later one side would start a major engagement. Jefferson Davis made a huge blunder by ordering the firing on Fort Sumter. By the way, Fort Pickens was never taken by the Confederates.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-07-04 09:37|| 2006-07-04 09:37|| Front Page Top

#14 Not to get pedantic, but its possible to say that we fired the first shot at Pearl Harbor too, and it was an officer's decision. Depends how you look at it.

I recommend a visit to Gettysburg to anybody who comes anywhere near it. It's amazing to comprehend.

Posted by JAB 2006-07-04 09:54|| 2006-07-04 09:54|| Front Page Top

#15 The purpose will be to demonstrate opposition to the Iraq war and to speak on "white unity between the north and south," the permit said.

HA, HA. Talk about confused individuals.

Posted by 2b 2006-07-04 10:04|| 2006-07-04 10:04|| Front Page Top

#16 Th' heck with gunfire, the first acts of aggression in the American Civil War were the illegal seizure of undefended federal forts and arsenals throughout the deep South in January, 1861, including arsenals in Florida, South Carolina, and Alabama among others. These were the initial acts of war, forgotten later due to the superior drama & human interest presented by the clashes at Forts Pickens & Sumter. And they began at least four days before the first discharge of a firearm by a Federal soldier at Fort Barrancas on January 8th, far as I can tell.

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2006-07-04 10:16|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-04 10:16|| Front Page Top

#17
Not to get pedantic, but its possible to say that we fired the first shot at Pearl Harbor too, and it was an officer's decision.

Not only was the submarine in foreign territorial waters it was also in a restricted zone.

Otherwise consider the following: Japanese destroyers enter Pearl HArbor (without being fired upon since it is peace time) take perfect aim and then on command silmutaneously torpedoe every battleship or cruiser in the base. Or Japanse soldiers land at Wake and then without being opposed bcause it is still peace, each one of them puts his knife on the throat of a Marine, and on an order all defenders are simulatenously killed.

THat is why there are restricted zones around bases and it has ever been considered legitimate to fire on unautorized trespassers even in peace time.

The sinking of the Japanese midget submarine was just basic force protection. By itself it didn't mark the start of the war between Japan and the United States. Has the submarine not being followed minutes laters by hundred of planes it could have relmined in a exchange of angry diplomatic notes between Japan and the United States. If any it was the fact that an armed vessel had been sent in a foreign base who was by itself an agression.

You would have a better case for the near-hot war who prevailed between Germany and the UNited States in 1941 during which several German submarines were victims of unprovoked attacks by US ships.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-07-04 11:04|| 2006-07-04 11:04|| Front Page Top

#18 several German submarines were victims of unprovoked attacks by US ships.

Unprovoked? They were in our ocean.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-04 11:07|| 2006-07-04 11:07|| Front Page Top

#19 Where would we be today if the South had managed to separate from the North? Where will we be tomorrow if the Left manages to separate from the Right? United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Just as true today as it was 200+ years ago, except now it applies to political idealogy. Look to the future to decide where the answer lies.

Posted by grb 2006-07-04 17:36|| 2006-07-04 17:36|| Front Page Top

#20 Exactly grb, we would not be the superpower we are today if the south had prevailed.

BTW - calling it a civil war is even technically wrong. A civil war is when you try to replace the existing gov't with another - 1861-1865 was a war or secession or of "southern independence".

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-07-04 22:54|| 2006-07-04 22:54|| Front Page Top

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