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Muslim Boy Scout troop formed in Florida

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Posted by ryuge 2006-07-28 07:11|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Oh, how quaint! However, they are evading the oath to "God and country." The live for Allah and Caliphate.

I don't advocate forced dogma in the form of the Soviet style, "party-line." But we have to do something about the pathological ignorance of the true nature of the Muslim beast, and the stupidity that paints a benign face on that wild animal.

Posted by Griper Whegum8464 2006-07-28 07:23|| 2006-07-28 07:23|| Front Page Top

#2 "It's pretty good. We get to play outside a lot," he said. "We have snack time, and we get to learn stuff from the Red Cross like if firemen come, don't be afraid." .... then we have exploding vest training, Kalashnakov assemply/disassembly, sniper 101, demo training, ie, cutting charges, crimping caps, time fuse, vehiclular emplacement, etc.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-07-28 07:39|| 2006-07-28 07:39|| Front Page Top

#3 hmmm, I wonder what kind of eagle projects....

Posted by Jan 2006-07-28 07:54|| 2006-07-28 07:54|| Front Page Top

#4 Do they have the Order of the Broken Arrow???

Posted by ARMYGUY 2006-07-28 07:58|| 2006-07-28 07:58|| Front Page Top

#5 Okay, kids, I'm an active adult leader in Scouting, so I know from whence I speak.

In order to be a Scout, a boy has to give an oath to do his duty to God and country. The BSA does not claim to be able to define what God is, so Scouts can be of any faith as long as they have a belief in a supreme being. There are Moslem Scouts, Jewish Scouts, Bhuddist Scouts, Sikhs, Baptists, Methodists, Mormons, Unitarians, and even a few of those darned Catholics like me. (Take a look at this page, which is the list of religious emblems established for Cub Scouts of particular denominations. There are denominations on the list you probably never heard of.)

Remember, too, that a large part of the Scouting program is citizenship education. Lots of it. At every level.

I may be asking for a flaming by saying this, but not all Moslems are Wahabbists* or CAIR activists (but I repeat myself). There are lots of Moslem friendlies out there, people who are more than willing to put their lives on the line to take out the same bad guys you and I want taken out. If the Islamic Center in Florida wants to form a Scout unit and have the boys learn to say the Pledge of Allegiance and salute and fold the flag correctly and do their duty to God and the United States, I'm happy to have 'em.

*A Wahabbi Islamist, by definition, is committed to a restoration of the Caliphate, and so cannot therefore honestly pledge to do his duty to country, since he seeks the overthrow of the US Government. That person, then, cannot be a Scout--just as an atheist cannot be a Scout because he cannot honestly pledge to do his duty to God.

Posted by Mike 2006-07-28 08:25|| 2006-07-28 08:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Thanks, Mike. The question is, are we going to make a place for the Muslims who want to be Americans and assimilate them or are we going to kill them all? I suppose the third alternative is to keep on as we have been, but I like that least of all. As the Constitution provides for freedom of religion, we're going to have to make some legal changes if we want to go the kill them all route. And we won't be the same country after we do. Getting them in the BSA is a lot better than having them go to the KSA.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-28 08:37|| 2006-07-28 08:37|| Front Page Top

#7 I may be asking for a flaming by saying this, but not all Moslems are Wahabbists* or CAIR activists (but I repeat myself).

Naw. They just tolerate the Wahabbists running their mosques, and the Wahabbist literature in their mosques, and they pump cash into jihadi-front "charities".

They're passive supporters of jihad, not active supporters. Still supporters, though.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-07-28 09:02|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-07-28 09:02|| Front Page Top

#8 Not all, Robert.

I know some who don't, and who do speak out against the crazies.

Mike's right. Let's encourage good citizens - even as we bitch-slap the bad ones.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-07-28 09:20|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2006-07-28 09:20|| Front Page Top

#9 So, what do you propose we do with the passive supporters, Robert?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-28 09:30|| 2006-07-28 09:30|| Front Page Top

#10 Well said Mike, but the issue is what we do with rest.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-07-28 09:38|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-28 09:38|| Front Page Top

#11 I know some who don't, and who do speak out against the crazies.

Certainly there are some. Pity they're vastly outnumbered.

Because if they were in the majority, the Wahabbists wouldn't be running the mosques, the hate pamphlets wouldn't be in the mosques, and the jihadi-front charities wouldn't be able to raise a dime before getting exposed.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-07-28 10:00|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-07-28 10:00|| Front Page Top

#12 Sorry Mike we can get a little snarky around here. I like the idea of muslims joining boy scouts at least these muslims want to be part of America.

Posted by djohn66 2006-07-28 10:26|| 2006-07-28 10:26|| Front Page Top

#13 How do they feel about gay scout leaders?

Is this going to cause the aclu internal conflict?

Posted by kelly 2006-07-28 11:12|| 2006-07-28 11:12|| Front Page Top

#14 Yes, but becoming part of something and then destroying it from within has been an Islamic practice. Where do you think splodydopes come from ? Years of being allowed to mingle within Israel and cross borders daily have led to some strapping on explosive belts and vests and going after the 72 virgins.
Part of their takeover philosophy is to join and wait for the opportune moment. I say, since we can't trust all of them, trust none of them. You want to be a scout ? Denounce Islam. It sucks anyway.

Posted by wxjames 2006-07-28 11:23|| 2006-07-28 11:23|| Front Page Top

#15 Yes, I too remember how scouting includes all varieties of religious direction.
Good point however about having them salute the flag and say the pledge of allegiance.
This should be done by everyone that lives here! Might be a good way to weed out the guys who don't want to assimilate. Or at best get rid of the death to america types that live in our front yards.

Posted by Jan (at work) 2006-07-28 13:41|| 2006-07-28 13:41|| Front Page Top

#16 This isn't such a bad thing, guys.

Look, at least they're trying to assimilate. They aren't going to some summer camp where they are going to learn how to build bombs, unless the Jamborees have really, really changed. Who knows, they might run into some Jewish scouts and find out that they don't have horns and aren't dripping with evil.

These kids are pretty much in my backyard (I'm in a county just to the north of them). I'd rather they grow up to be citizens instead of jihadis. Maybe this will keep some of them from doing it. We won't know unless you give them a chance.

BTW, I remember hearing stories from my parents about how Catholics couldn't be loyal citizens because they owe their allegiance to the Pope. Thank God Kennedy destroyed that lie once and for all. Let's not start blanketing all Muslims like that, especially if some are trying to just be normal Americans. They need our encouragement, not derision.

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-07-28 14:41|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-07-28 14:41|| Front Page Top

#17 Naw. They just tolerate the Wahabbists running their mosques, and the Wahabbist literature in their mosques, and they pump cash into jihadi-front "charities".

They're passive supporters of jihad, not active supporters. Still supporters, though.

Word, RC. The mythical "Moderate Muslims" are so few and so ineffectual as to be nearly irrelevant. The Muslim practice of Takiya makes any supposed integration suspect at best. Until mobs of outraged Muslims take back the mosques from their Wahabbist usurpers, all of their protestations should fall upon deaf ears.

Islam is only being hijacked by its radicals if the final destination is one truly unwanted by the fellow passengers. The lack of outcry and silent (or outright) approbation that terrorism so often evokes in mainstream Islam is far too damning to be ignored.

Only Mulims that virulently protest the perversion of their religion should be construed as assimilating in any way shape or form. And still, there's that Takiya thingy.

Posted by Zenster 2006-07-28 14:56|| 2006-07-28 14:56|| Front Page Top

#18 Will they use something similar for their troop flag?

Posted by john 2006-07-28 16:02|| 2006-07-28 16:02|| Front Page Top

#19 We need to verify the animal husbandry badge doesn't involve any lasting emotional damage to the animals.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2006-07-28 16:47|| 2006-07-28 16:47|| Front Page Top

#20 I wasn't aware that there were Jewish Boy Scout troops and Mormon Boy Scout troops and Hindu Boy Scout Troops.

Posted by 2b 2006-07-28 17:03|| 2006-07-28 17:03|| Front Page Top

#21 Who sponsored your troop?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-28 17:04|| 2006-07-28 17:04|| Front Page Top

#22 Are you telling me that a group sponsored by a Christian organization would refuse children from a Jewish organization or vice versa?

Posted by 2b 2006-07-28 17:10|| 2006-07-28 17:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Thanks, Mike, for answering the questions that this article brings to mind for those who don't have a good overview of how Scouting works today. The fact that they want to become Scouts seems to imply that they want to make an effort to become good citizens and, therefore, should be encouraged. It's the Bush doctrine applied at the local community level.

If an extremist Islamic group wanted to infiltrate the Scouts for sinister purposes, it would almost certainly start to ring some alarm bells within the hierarchy at some point. It would probably be much easier for them to form a youth organization with no oversight by the Scouts.

Posted by ryuge 2006-07-28 17:29|| 2006-07-28 17:29|| Front Page Top

#24 An opportunity to convert some kaffirs?

Posted by john 2006-07-28 17:32|| 2006-07-28 17:32|| Front Page Top

#25 Are you telling me that a group sponsored by a Christian organization would refuse children from a Jewish organization or vice versa?

Scout units need to have a sponsoring organization that provides a place to meet and some outside involvement in the unit. Usually the adult members of the sponsor provide the core of the leadership and members of the troop. Typically it is a religious institution, though it can also bee a service organization such as Kiwanis etc.

When I was a scout, 40 years ago, my troop was sponsored by a Baptist Church and had Catholics, Protestants, and Jews. But there were some troops that were sponsored by Catholic churches that were pretty Catholic troops. Same for Mormons and Jews. That also reflected where people lived and what was convenient. No one was ever refused membership in a troop because of their religion. But people got to involved in a troop with which they were comfortable, for whatever reason. There were also troops that were blue blood and a troop at the military base. I see nothing odd in a Mosque sponsoring a troop any more than a church, synagogue, stake or bhuddist temple. It's how we assimilate.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-28 18:30|| 2006-07-28 18:30|| Front Page Top

#26 Islam is only being hijacked by its radicals...

Man, I am sick to death of this hijacking meme. Islam is NOT being highjacked. All is proceeding to plan, unfortunately.

Posted by Parabellum 2006-07-28 19:06|| 2006-07-28 19:06|| Front Page Top

#27 I wasn't aware that there were Jewish Boy Scout troops and Mormon Boy Scout troops and Hindu Boy Scout Troops.

Hell yes! Makes for kick ass jamborees!

Posted by 6 2006-07-28 20:15|| 2006-07-28 20:15|| Front Page Top

#28 2b: Just to add to Nimble's response, while Scout units tend to reflect the demographics of the chartering organization, any boy can join any unit, with, I think, the possible exception of LDS church units, and that's only because the LDS church uses Scouting as its in-house youth ministry. (I don't have too much contact with LDS units, so I could be wrong about that.) My bous are in units chartered to our parish, but we have a few kids who are not Catholic in our bunch, and some have even gotten their denomination's religious emblems.

Posted by Mike 2006-07-28 21:29|| 2006-07-28 21:29|| Front Page Top

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