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2006-08-11 India-Pakistan
Pakis induct first locally built submarine into fleet
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Posted by Steve White 2006-08-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 What'd you wanna bet that the name of this fine piece of Pakistani craftsmanship translates from Urdu into "The Widowmaker"? Or "Staring into the Face of Allah"?
Posted by Dreadnought 2006-08-11 00:15||   2006-08-11 00:15|| Front Page Top

#2 Or Wrath of Allan(may his bilge be always dry), although I'm not sure there is room enough on the sail to paint the name.
Posted by SteveS 2006-08-11 00:46||   2006-08-11 00:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Anyone had the courage to submerge for the first time ?
Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-08-11 01:23||   2006-08-11 01:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Umm, it is not the submerging part that I would be concerned with. I am quite certain that it can submerge very well -- the question is, can it surface after that?
Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-08-11 02:11||   2006-08-11 02:11|| Front Page Top

#5 The problems will surface (pardon the pun) only after the sub's been run for a while. And it wasn't a Pak-only project; the French sent an engineering team (11 of whom were killled in an attack in Karachi back in 2002).

On paper, the Agosta seems okay. This last one also has air-independent propulsion. But a boat's only as good as its crew (and the builders) and the proof is gonna be if and when the design ever sees action.
Posted by Pappy 2006-08-11 04:27||   2006-08-11 04:27|| Front Page Top

#6 ...kind of like giving the Aborogines a fleet of Ageis destroyers.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-08-11 04:56||   2006-08-11 04:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Yes, #5, the Agosta class is a good one BUT as the article made clear, this is the first all Paki built vessel. No way I would want to bet my life on the integrity of the welds done by a Paki shipyard.
Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-08-11 05:33||   2006-08-11 05:33|| Front Page Top

#8 does it have power windows?
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-08-11 06:08|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2006-08-11 06:08|| Front Page Top

#9 Or a sun roof?
Posted by Cliger Elmeremble3688 2006-08-11 07:34||   2006-08-11 07:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Do you get the feeling Pakistan is becoming the job shop for Chinese prototyping and beta testing of stolen western designs?
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-11 07:51||   2006-08-11 07:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Where'd they stick the screen door?
Posted by The Doctor">The Doctor  2006-08-11 08:39||   2006-08-11 08:39|| Front Page Top

#12 Any truth to the rumor Clive Cussler funded the insurance program and has the Karlissa B. standing by down in Charleston harbor, just in case?
Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-11 09:15||   2006-08-11 09:15|| Front Page Top

#13 "Will it submerge?"
"Oh yeah. Coming up again might be a problem, though."
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-08-11 10:30||   2006-08-11 10:30|| Front Page Top

#14 Hey, Mushsharraf guy. It's just easier to say:

"Peace through strength", and my personal fave:

"Trust, but verify."
Posted by BA 2006-08-11 15:03||   2006-08-11 15:03|| Front Page Top

#15 All seagoing vessels submerge... at least once :)
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-08-11 15:20||   2006-08-11 15:20|| Front Page Top

#16 With help from the French; hopefully not in the propeller-retention system. I am betting the glide ratio of an underwater (unpowered when it does fall off) brick isn't great, but the curve can be fairly well plotted.
Posted by USN, ret. 2006-08-11 17:31||   2006-08-11 17:31|| Front Page Top

#17 Damn, you beat me to it, #11 doc! ;-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-08-11 18:53|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]  2006-08-11 18:53|| Front Page Top

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