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2006-09-27 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
UN envoy says Gaza a prison for Palestinians
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Posted by Steve White 2006-09-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 First time in history tht prisoners built their own prison then locked them selves into it and threw away the key.

See! Islam is innovative!
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-09-27 00:50||   2006-09-27 00:50|| Front Page Top

#2 Suppose you were to take the entire population of Gaza and ship them someplace else, say Geneva, and replace them with a like number of Swiss citizens.

Does anyone doubt that in short order Geneva would become a fetid wasteland of violence and corruption, poverty stricken and shunned as hopeless and threatening by its neighbors, while the new Gaza would be peaceful, prosperous and open?

The problem isn't Israel. It's Palestinian culture. Can't be fixed by funding. They are going to have to want to change it for themselves. So far there's little sign they do, and therefore little reason for hope.
Posted by Baba Tutu 2006-09-27 00:57||   2006-09-27 00:57|| Front Page Top

#3 Baba Tutu, don't reveal next year's Survivor - it will get Fred sued.
Posted by Super Hose 2006-09-27 01:03||   2006-09-27 01:03|| Front Page Top

#4 Israel has turned the Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians where life is “intolerable, appalling, tragic” and the Jewish state appears to have thrown away the key, a UN human rights envoy said on Tuesday.

John Dugard is either stupid or had a gun in his ear. Since he probably spoke to this reporter from his air-conditioned office in the UN, anybody not part of the UN can probably figure out the correct answer here.

I'd say the Paleostinians did it to themselves. And honestly they seem to enjoy it. Probably out of ignorance. As soon as they get smart and figure that out, things will get better.
Posted by gorb 2006-09-27 02:04||   2006-09-27 02:04|| Front Page Top

#5 One solution, kick the paleos out and reclaim Gaza for Israel.
Posted by Captain America 2006-09-27 03:41||   2006-09-27 03:41|| Front Page Top

#6 suffering of the Palestinians was a test of the readiness of the international community to protect human rights

The principal being: the right to kill Jews.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-09-27 05:04||   2006-09-27 05:04|| Front Page Top

#7 UN envoy says Gaza a prison for Palestinians

Interesting idea, worth pursuing.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2006-09-27 05:12|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-09-27 05:12|| Front Page Top

#8  . . . Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians where life is “intolerable, appalling, tragic” . . . the suffering of the Palestinians was a test of the readiness of the international community to protect human rights

It never ceases to amaze me that they spend more time worrying about paleos, where much of the tragedy is self-inflicted, than they do on Darfur, where TENS OF THOUSANDS of people are being killed, raped, displaced.

Any mention of the rockets fired into Israel, or weapons smuggling, all of which occured after Israel UNILATERALLY withdrew from Gaza? Any mention of the factional infighting? Any mention of the lack of productive, positive collaboration amongst paleos to create a better life? Any mention of the looting? Any mention of the destruction of property after the withdrawal?

Didn't think so.

"Collective punishment." It seems to me that it was the "collective" that brought Hamas into power. It is the "collective" that does nothing to stop rockets. It is the "collective" that does nothing to create a thriving community.

It is EXACTLY this sort of report that sustains hope for paleo victory and provides support for antagonism. It thwarts cooperation and compromise. Paleos think that these reports lend credibility to their plight and that world pressure will force Israel's hand. The UN is complicit in creating the very conditions they complain about.

What they don't realize is that the dynamic has changed. There is less sympathy for them now than there has been in a long time. Regardless, Israel will not succumb to pressure that will endanger her citizens.

The cluebat doesn't seem to be working. Get a bigger one.
Posted by PlanetDan 2006-09-27 08:23||   2006-09-27 08:23|| Front Page Top

#9 What time is the "imminent humanitarian crisis" starting?
Again.
Posted by tu3031 2006-09-27 08:26||   2006-09-27 08:26|| Front Page Top

#10 Its starts daily - at about 2PM - when the UN 2-hour luncheon and martini ends. Twice on Friday.
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-09-27 09:32||   2006-09-27 09:32|| Front Page Top

#11  Its starts daily - at about 2PM - when the UN 2-hour luncheon and martini ends. Twice on Friday.

You're forgetting Happy Hour.
Posted by badanov 2006-09-27 10:53|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org]  2006-09-27 10:53|| Front Page Top

#12 Well said Baby Tutu! The problem with the Pals (and most Arabs) is that they were never taught and have no inclination to become self sufficient. The un has institutionalized them to the point that they can’t even take care of themselves. They don’t know how to build a society, but they know how to make bombs, that alone should tell you a lot. I like the Swiss analogy. Switzerland has few natural resources, a small work force, and uses three languages, yet they are light years ahead of any Arab Middle Eastern society.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-09-27 11:08||   2006-09-27 11:08|| Front Page Top

#13 It never ceases to amaze me that they spend more time worrying about paleos, where much of the tragedy is self-inflicted, than they do on Darfur, where TENS OF THOUSANDS of people are being killed, raped, displaced.

The (current) victims in Darfur may be Muslim, but the perpetrators are also Muslim, and are seen as more Arab than the victims.

Didn't one of their leading intellectuals declare all the concern over the genocide campaigns in Sudan to be a Zionist conspiracy?
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-09-27 11:55|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-09-27 11:55|| Front Page Top

#14 The UN never cared much about the timorese, for that matter, nor the southern sudanese... first a vehicle for third-worldism and marxists (as Pacepa explained), now a vehicle for tranzis and West-haters, with muslim pulling the strings with their deep pockets, and chinese playing their games.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-27 11:59||   2006-09-27 11:59|| Front Page Top

#15 "I cry out to God
seeking only his decision
Gabriel stands and confirms
I've created my own prison"

---Creed
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-27 12:18||   2006-09-27 12:18|| Front Page Top

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