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2006-10-13 Bangladesh
Grameen Bank Founder wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Posted by Grunter 2006-10-13 10:54|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Sorry, Cindy.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-10-13 11:07||   2006-10-13 11:07|| Front Page Top

#2 A muslim peace nobel prize, and a muslim literature noble price. Am I bigoted in seeing some kind of pattern in those non-achievement-based, subjective prizes attribution by those Enlightened euros?
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-13 11:11||   2006-10-13 11:11|| Front Page Top

#3 Both Pamuk and Yunus have taken a lot crap. Pamuk had to go into exile for some time for witing about the Armenian genocide (mild criticsm as it was) and Yunus has received a lot of death threats for lending to women, even in "moderate muslim" Bangladesh.
Posted by ed 2006-10-13 11:21||   2006-10-13 11:21|| Front Page Top

#4 The Grameen Bank does great work in giving the poorest of the poor the tools to prosper. They especially benefit women, so we can count them an enemy of the Islamists, and they have been attacked as such. A worthy winner of the Nobel Prize.
Posted by Grunter 2006-10-13 11:22||   2006-10-13 11:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

"Pay attention to MEEEEEE!!!"
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-13 11:53||   2006-10-13 11:53|| Front Page Top

#6 #3 ad #4, thanks for the precision, I stand corrected (and, yup, I AM a bigot, I guess).
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-13 12:29||   2006-10-13 12:29|| Front Page Top

#7 I blame George Bush, DAMMIT!
Posted by Cindy Sheehan 2006-10-13 12:31||   2006-10-13 12:31|| Front Page Top

#8 moose - nothing could represent the liberal left(TM) better than that photo.
Posted by anon 2006-10-13 12:38||   2006-10-13 12:38|| Front Page Top

#9 To build on Grunter's post, it's my understanding that originally the Grameen people lent preferentially to men, because they had the visible assets to pay back the micro-loans, and the visible businesses capable of expansion. However, the men spent the money on nice clothes for themselves and other accoutremonts of success, rather than growing the business, then be unable to pay back the loan. The women would take the money, buy a sewing machine and a lamp, work through the nights to create a business, pay back the loan from the profits, take out another loan to buy a second sewing machine and hire a neighbor to help out... and use the profits to pay school fees for the children. It turns out that entirely too many Bangladeshi small businessmen would rather look pretty than feed their families, given a sudden infusion of cash.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-13 12:57||   2006-10-13 12:57|| Front Page Top

#10 this really is ground breaking

not only is the winner not a diplomat, not an elected (or ex elected) leader, not a 'words' person,

he is actually somebody who did something and did something with banking

how this happened, we'll never know
Posted by mhw 2006-10-13 13:01|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2006-10-13 13:01|| Front Page Top

#11 One can only hope that after awarding Peace Prizes to Arafat and Annan, the Nobel committee has been consumed by an overwhelming sense of much needed moral restitution.

Thirty years on, the bank has 6.6 million borrowers, of which 97% are women

Regardless of how they arrived at this policy, the Grameen Bank's financial empowerment of Muslim women is one of the sole ways to lift them out of Islamic subjugation. In an especially impoverished country like Bangladesh, breaking the fetters of servitude will save countless lives and spread hope where once there was none.

Below is the two minute encapsulation of the committee's appraisal for Pamuk. Nowhere does it mention anything with respect to writing about the Armenian genocide. It's sort of curious in that the Nobel Peace and Literature Prizes are pretty well politicized.

We live in an age of mass media, mass movement, and globalization when it is likely that we will confront different cultures and different races as we go about our daily business. But Turkey has always had to deal with the problems and pleasures of diversity, as it straddles the place where Asia and Europe meet.

The best-selling Turkish novelist, Orhan Pamuk, has devoted his life to the study of mixture and plurality, and what is often called "the clash of cultures." By concentrating on a specific country, and even narrowing his focus to one city – the teeming, chaotic city of Istanbul, caught between its desire for the west and its admiration for the east – Pamuk finds a way to talk about all kinds of identities. Individuals, nations, cultures, periods, even literary styles and genres, start to leak, multiply, change and slip. In White Castle, for example, an Italian slave finds he has a double in an Ottoman pasha: the two look alike and share a burning interest in science, but the Italian decides to stay in Turkey, while the Turk becomes disillusioned with his native country and moves to Italy. In My Name is Red, sixteenth-century Istanbul slips into modern Istanbul, fiction becomes confused with reality, and what we thought was a philosophical novel about the place of art in our lives, slips into a detective story and a love story.

Pamuk's imagination pulls things together so that we understand their similarities, and thus their differences, more clearly. Western literary influences, like Kafka, Borges and Eco, are mixed with Islamic literary influences, including popular Turkish folk traditions and classical Persian poetry like the Shahnameh. His narratives are complicated tour-de-forces, divided between many voices, but the tricks are used to make us see things anew and to make us think. Paradox is the key to his world, a world that is made up of unexpected combinations which impel us to think differently.

Pamuk wanted to become a painter, and when he was sixteen set himself the task of copying Persian miniatures. He once said that he wanted to paint Istanbul just as Pissarro and Utrillo would have done. He now paints through words, working assiduously, seven days a week. He writes slowly, with a pen, not a computer, and has never done another job, except be a writer.


As a Turkish writer, if Pamuk has been fearless enough to attempt even a passing redress of the Armenian genocide, then he is easily worthy of this prize. Turkey's continuing holocaust denial serves as an inspiration to other would-be aspirants like Iran's Ahmadinejad and this glaring moral deficit, on both parts, merits only calumny and condemnation.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-13 14:29||   2006-10-13 14:29|| Front Page Top

#12 This is well-deserved and a splendid awardee. The micro-bank idea is one that has enormous promise in the Third World, and if I were running the development programs at the State Dept. (heh) I'd have this way-high on my to-do list.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-10-13 15:02||   2006-10-13 15:02|| Front Page Top

#13 ditto SW - everything I read about these people says they were a rare, deserving, award-winner, perhaps a mistake was made or the usual nominees (Hi Cindy!) were so obviously bad that they decided to do it right for once....
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-13 16:25||   2006-10-13 16:25|| Front Page Top

#14 I agree - these people are profoundly deserving of the Peace Prize.

Wonder who on the Committee slipped up?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-10-13 16:42|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]  2006-10-13 16:42|| Front Page Top

#15 Pamuk denounces a French bill that would make it a crime to deny Turks commited genocide against Armenians, saying it flouts France's "tradition of liberal and critical thinking."

Denying the Armenian genocide is liberal thinking? Hmmm.

Link

Posted by exJAG 2006-10-13 17:15||   2006-10-13 17:15|| Front Page Top

#16 that's the Literature prize, exJag. I make no claims or acclaim to that writer - never read em. My tastes tend to Clancy, Connelly, Pelecanos, Cornwell, Hillerman, and Sandford, to name a few
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-13 17:31||   2006-10-13 17:31|| Front Page Top

#17  Pamuk denounces a French bill that would make it a crime to deny Turks commited genocide against Armenians, saying it flouts France's "tradition of liberal and critical thinking."
Denying the Armenian genocide is liberal thinking? Hmmm.


I think what he was referring to is France's former tradition of the free exchange of all ideas (no matter how loathsome) without fear of imprisonment for thought crime.
Posted by SLO Jim 2006-10-13 17:52||   2006-10-13 17:52|| Front Page Top

#18 One can only hope that after awarding Peace Prizes to Arafat and Annan, the Nobel committee has been consumed by an overwhelming sense of much needed moral restitution.

Gah! I simply cannot believe I left out how that worthless sack of shit, elBaradei, was also awarded this same damned prize. It will take over a decade of well-targeted recipients to make up for just those three turds being gilded by the Nobel committee.

I think what he was referring to is France's former tradition of the free exchange of all ideas (no matter how loathsome) without fear of imprisonment for thought crime.

Don't worry, SLO Jim, with the way things are going in France, that shit ain't long for this world.

(I, trust SLO stands for San Luis Obispo? If so, ya'll have some great microbreweries down there.)
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-13 23:58||   2006-10-13 23:58|| Front Page Top

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