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2006-10-23 Olde Tyme Religion
Together in prayer, support: Latina Muslim converts gather
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Posted by lotp 2006-10-23 11:58|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The mole that holds us together? I thought that was the badger.
Posted by Pholutch Elmitle9275 2006-10-23 12:09||   2006-10-23 12:09|| Front Page Top

#2 It's mole as in the sauce.
Posted by lotp 2006-10-23 12:16||   2006-10-23 12:16|| Front Page Top

#3 You can't prevent ignorant people from doing stupid things. Whatever becomes of this bitch, she so deserves. She's now heading into 7th century hell and won't be able to escape, due to her simplistic outlook.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-23 12:29||   2006-10-23 12:29|| Front Page Top

#4 We ignore this at our own peril.

Most Latinos of faith are Catholic and with that denominations track record these past 20 years it's no wonder people are looking else where.

That said I am shocked that any woman would ever convert to Islam. That just boggles my mind.
Posted by RJB in JC MO 2006-10-23 12:29||   2006-10-23 12:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Wimmen and (black) prisoners are the two most common pools of converts.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-23 12:33||   2006-10-23 12:33|| Front Page Top

#6 What this article should tell you is just how fucked up Latino culture is in the way it treats women. The machismo mentality is one of the most abusive there is to females. Hispanic women I have worked with have told me about how they are expected to bring home a paycheck, cook, clean, shop, do the laundry and look after the kids while the husband sits and watches television. Any protest on the woman's part is greeted with "Shut up, bitch."

Fortunately, I have also had the privilege of meeting a few really decent and honorable Hispanic men, so I know that not all of them are like this. However, living in one of the largest American Hispanic communities here in San Jose, California, I can also tell you that I've seen just what violent scumbags Latino males can be.

The Catholic church needs to get over its sexual repression a bit and begin telling these prospective Hispanic woman converts about how the majority of Muslim females are treated, including some vivid descriptions of female genital mutilation, institutionalized spousal abuse, revenge gang rapes plus the complete and total legal inequity experienced by women in the Sharia judicial system. Specific note of how Muslim apostasy is punishable by death also should feature prominently in any such discussion.

I doubt this is happening and because of it, the church is surrendering its turf without much of a fight. Pope Benedict's admirable frontal assault on Islam needs to trickle down to the parish level if this is to be stopped.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-23 12:37||   2006-10-23 12:37|| Front Page Top

#7 That's when he said: 'I have read the Quran. I understand it. But you need to follow your religion. Muslims are not bad people, but they are not right. We are correct. Don't question your religion; practice it, but don't question it.' "

I call BS. No Catholic priest would ever say that; they're taught the reasoning behind the faith, and to pass on that reasoning.

It sounds more like an imam.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-10-23 12:59|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-10-23 12:59|| Front Page Top

#8 I am shocked that any woman would ever convert to Islam. That just boggles my mind.

No mystery here. Put a Hijab on Lady Liberty, and change the inscription to read as follows:

"Bring me your frigid, your sexually repressed, your neurotically shy, your ignorant, your self-loathers, yearning to hide behind the veil."

Barnum was right. There's a sucker born every minute.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-10-23 13:34||   2006-10-23 13:34|| Front Page Top

#9 Sung to the tune of Anticipation (Carly Simon)...

Indoctrination, indoctrination
Is makin' me a tool
Is keepin' me a foolin'

And tomorrow we might not be together
I'm no prophet and I don't know Mohammed's ways
So I'll try and see into your eyes right now
But it's hard cuz my hijab has slipped over my eyes again

(Slipped over my eyes again)

But it's so hard cuz my hijab has slipped over my eyes again
(Slipped over my eyes again)
(Slipped over my eyes again)
(Slipped over my eyes again)
(It's so hard... slipped over my eyes again)
Posted by .com 2006-10-23 13:44||   2006-10-23 13:44|| Front Page Top

#10 your sexually repressed, your neurotically shy, your ignorant

I'm convinced! That's the religion tailor-made for me! I'll convert, by Gum!
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-23 13:46||   2006-10-23 13:46|| Front Page Top

#11 I call BS. No Catholic priest would ever say that; they're taught the reasoning behind the faith, and to pass on that reasoning.

Even that wouldn't be so bad; here in secular France (the Republic is thee God), the Catholic Church is so PC-fied that the minority (small, but quite real) of muslim wishing to convert to Christianity are gently led away; no kdding, there were reports of muslims (often girls or berbers/kabyls wanting to return to their european/christian roots and escape the arab identity) being turned away by priest telling them "they should stay muslim", or "need to talk with their imam". Barf!

So, the only christians who do welcome and encourage conversions are the Dreaded Evangelists (whom I wouldn't oppose, if they went on to re-evangelize post-christian Europe, better protestant than muslim), or the traditionalist catholics (quite small in numbers, but the only remaining active catholics in France, the only ethnic french who have large families - 6, 7 or more children is common -, the majority of young people willing to enter priesthood while the french clergy is aging, the only ones who still do pilgrimages,....).
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-23 13:54||   2006-10-23 13:54|| Front Page Top

#12 "Back home, people would say, 'Oooooh, you good-looking girl,' and make many other rude comments. I hated that."

Yeah compliments suck. I bet she would've loved them saying 'Ooooh, look at that fat ugly pig' instead.

Unbelievable.
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2006-10-23 14:04||   2006-10-23 14:04|| Front Page Top

#13 Zenster's onto this one. The Church (not just Catholics, but those evil Evangelicals too) needs to respond to this with truth and love ASAP. While I don't expect wholesale abandonment of the Catholic faith by the Hispanics, a few here and there can hurt. What I don't get is the quote about wanting to be covered up. You can do that yourself in Catholicism. Maybe not a canvas tent over you from head to toe, but feel free to cover yourself as you see fit. Meanwhile an immigrant from Somalia (or maybe Egypt) here in an Atlanta suburb has been brought up on charges of female "circumcision" (genital mutilation) on his 5 year old daughter with freakin' scissors! This, in a very small town about 40 miles outside of Atlanta (think "redneckville" until about 5 years ago when development hit)! I just can't believe ANY self-respecting woman would convert to Islam after seeing how they're truly treated.
Posted by BA 2006-10-23 14:12||   2006-10-23 14:12|| Front Page Top

#14 Yeah compliments suck. I bet she would've loved them saying 'Ooooh, look at that fat ugly pig' instead.

Scooter, have you ever heard the suggestive tone in which such comments are typically being made? It is usually far from complimentary and often just as hurtful as the alternative you provided.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-23 14:46||   2006-10-23 14:46|| Front Page Top

#15 being turned away by priest telling them "they should stay muslim", or "need to talk with their imam".

If there is a Christian hell, those priests who intentionally redirect willing converts back into Islam's withering embrace surely need to eternally rot in a firey afterlife.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-23 14:51||   2006-10-23 14:51|| Front Page Top

#16 The machismo mentality is one of the most abusive there is to females.

You are kidding, right? Do you watch MTV? Ever heard of rap or heard of freak dancing?
Posted by Hupuger Angiter7152 2006-10-23 15:09||   2006-10-23 15:09|| Front Page Top

#17 You are kidding, right? Do you watch MTV?

No. MTV (I pronounce it "Empty V") is some of the most worthless trash there is. As a musician, I hold MTV largely responsible for the ascendency of style over substance in the music industry. There are many excellent musicians who, because they are not photogenic, are passed over for consideration because they will lack marketability in music videos.

Ever heard of rap or heard of freak dancing?

Sadly, yes. Obviously you missed my post in the Burning Cars thread the other day. I'll repost it here for your edification:
If the black community ever wants to know why they continue to be societally marginalized, they need look no further than gangsta rap. The glorification of violence, promotion of conspicuous consumption and routine degradation of women positions it as a significant and universally retrograde force in our modern world.

While there is some intelligent rap music being produced, even that material's near total absence of musical complexity make listening to it a jaw-clenching experience at best. This latter category represents such a minor fraction of all rap music that the entire genre is fundamentally without redemption.

That black parents allow this music into their homes, permit their children to watch it on television, condone its emulation in dress or behavior and do not instead propose moral arguments against its intensely negative (lack of) character is a central reason in their continuing role as an underclass in America. That parents of any race permit their children to buy into this distorted world view goes a long way towards explaining the prevailing lack of intelligence and ascendancy of criminal gangs in our inner cities.

Whenever you pause to wonder why modern art and culture in general is so pathetically shallow, look no further than gansta rap for a wealth of explanation.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-23 16:42||   2006-10-23 16:42|| Front Page Top

#18 The author of the article, Barbara Karkabi, is the Houston Chronicle's religion writer. Writing stuff like this is what a lot of religion writers do: they find and report on fringe elements looking to fit into mainstream society.

Next week it'll be former Episcopalians who are now Hare Krishnas.

Look, some of these poor gals can't even take down their wall hangings of Our Lady of Guadalupe. This is more sad than threatening.



Posted by mrp 2006-10-23 17:13||   2006-10-23 17:13|| Front Page Top

#19 Who in their right mind would convert to a cult founded by a murdering pedophile?
Posted by Icerigger 2006-10-23 18:35||   2006-10-23 18:35|| Front Page Top

#20 you are showing your age, Zenster ;-) Was a bunch of stuff about "freak dancing" in Massachussets and elsewhere in the country on the radio the other day. It's dancing that is boys behind the girls ...how shall I say this nicely ... doing the doggie up close and personal at the JR. High School dances as the chaperones stand by. Abd it's not just Massachussets, my sister in law in small town Kansas said she was one of the only chaperones breaking it up in her school. She said at other dances she's heard of parents literally using spray bottles of water. That is not a joke. This isn't a white/black/hispanic thing. It's 13, 14 year olds just picking up the MTV legacy that we left for them. It's not your Patrick Swayze type dirty dancing, it's more your local strip clubs lap dance dancing.

So is it any wonder that some are tired of the degrading sexuality and looking for some shelter from having to out sex the professional strippers at the local truck stops?

As for me, I think this article and that article the other day where that woman made up about 100 incidents of really mean things that happened to her when she wore her veil for one day - I think this is being churned out by that million dollar funding that was given to CAIR (or whoever) to promote Islam and fight against Islamophobia. And we are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

I say that because this article seems as bogus as that one did. These just strike me as made up stories that could be true but are just a little to perfect to the point. Friend of mine used to call the "preachers stories".

Its not that this isn't a valid discussion - I have some thoughts about this - but don't have time to go there right now. Maybe later.
Posted by anon 2006-10-23 20:05||   2006-10-23 20:05|| Front Page Top

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