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2006-11-29 Afghanistan

Disembowelled, then torn apart: The price of daring to teach girls

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-29 14:59|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I think a Talib village in Pakland has to die, violently. Eye for an eye. Bomb the fuckers into DNA-scraps

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-29 15:19|| 2006-11-29 15:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Please go now, you see those men standing over there? They are watching. It is dangerous for you, and for us.

Well, I would think when it becomes that dangerous for you that it might be time to pick up a weapon and kill those men standing over there.
If you don't, there'll be more of this.

Posted by tu3031 2006-11-29 15:25|| 2006-11-29 15:25|| Front Page Top

#3 And Pakistan want us to 'accept' these -er- things (I wouln't even call them animals....)?

Fuck that. Bomb the shit out of then IN PAKISTAN and then bounce the rubble.

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-11-29 15:54|| 2006-11-29 15:54|| Front Page Top

#4 More from the religion of peace, tolerance and liberal forward thinking.....

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-11-29 16:01|| 2006-11-29 16:01|| Front Page Top

#5 I think quite a few buildings in Pakistan need to be smashed for this. They're the ones sheltering and funding the Taliban.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-11-29 16:10|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-11-29 16:10|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm beginning to have ZERO sympathy for the Afghan people. Sooner or later they must realize that one force seeks to drag them back into the stone age while the other hopes to bring them forward into a new world.

But, as in the rest of Afghanistan, it is the civilians who are bearing the brunt of this conflict.

And so it must be until the Afghans begin KILLING the Taleban wherever and whenever they see them. Their destiny is up to the Afghani people and they CANNOT be allowed to think that they have the luxury of sitting around waiting to pick out the winning horse right at the wire.

This sort of wait-and-see attitude characterizes quite a bit of this world's Muslim population. They seem to believe that it is all right to idly sit by and await the outcome of larger battles in order to finally decide who to side with.

Remember, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. This sort of Muslim malign neutrality IS NOT any form of benign neglect. Far from it, their reluctant attitude is an outright refusal to combat evil and must carry a steep price tag. Lack of active and vigorous work against terrorism on the part of Muslims must eventually, if not immediately, be interpreted as tacit support.

After a while, silence is no longer mere consent. To remain silent is to LIE.

Iraqi Muslims are already paying the price for their indecision and ingratitude. Were they more attentive to ensuring that their culture had an actual future, jihadis would begin piling up in the streets like cordwood. So it needs to be in Afghanistan and all around the world. The alternative is that Muslims will simply wait too long and be thrown out with the bathwater when their jihadist brethern commit an atrocity of such astounding proportions that we finally give up and exterminate all of their type for once and all.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-29 16:26|| 2006-11-29 16:26|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm wondering what the effect would be if we handed out AK-47s and 400 rounds of ammo to every man, WOMAN, and able bodied child (roughly 14 and over- male or female.)

There would be some trouble at first. But I think things would settle down quickly. IMHO...

Posted by Free Radical">Free Radical 2006-11-29 16:35|| 2006-11-29 16:35|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm beginning to have ZERO sympathy for the Afghan people.

The victim was an afghan. Now it would be time for aghans who aspire to modernoty (and I have met a few who understood that Islam was a drag) who it is not enough to teach girld: they have to learn to strike back: every people in a 10 miles radius having a beard, dressing like an Arab or showing any sign of being pro-Taliban should meet the fate of this poor guy.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-11-29 16:41|| 2006-11-29 16:41|| Front Page Top

#9 I think quite a few buildings in Pakistan need to be smashed for this. They're the ones sheltering and funding the Taliban

They're called madrassahs.

Does this show up on Arab TV? If not, why don't we create our own channel and put it up for them?

Posted by gorb 2006-11-29 16:46|| 2006-11-29 16:46|| Front Page Top

#10 Until the common man stands up to thugs, individually and in groups, they will have a reign of terror. But when they resist, even a little bit, it soon becomes impossible for the thugs to operate.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-11-29 16:46|| 2006-11-29 16:46|| Front Page Top

#11 "This sort of wait-and-see attitude characterizes quite a bit of this world's Muslim population. They seem to believe that it is all right to idly sit by and await the outcome of larger battles in order to finally decide who to side with."
They're called "non-combatants", Zenster. It's a survival mechanism. War has been alternately simmering or boiling there for decades. They survive because they don't get involved any more than they have to. They have enough to do just to stay in food, clothing, and shelter. It's no different that what millions of people did in WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam...

Why do you constantly try to punish innocent non-combatants? This is as stupid as your "deport all American Muslims" rant. Grow up.

Posted by Darrell 2006-11-29 17:15|| 2006-11-29 17:15|| Front Page Top

#12 "a strategic point on the routes from Kabul to the south and east which has become the scene of fierce clashes between the Taliban and US and Afghan forces"
These people live in a battle zone that the US and Afghan forces have not cleared and all you easy-chair warriors have to say is "shame on these non-combatants for not risking everything." Shame on you.

Posted by Darrell 2006-11-29 17:21|| 2006-11-29 17:21|| Front Page Top

#13 Just one more nail in the coffin of islam.

The world is watching.

When the backlash comes, and it will, it will be ugly indeed.

Posted by kelly 2006-11-29 17:56|| 2006-11-29 17:56|| Front Page Top

#14 "The threats against Ms Mushtaq also extend to her husband, Sayyid Abdul, and their eight children."
So, kelly, are you expecting us to kill these ten Muslims in the backlash? If the backlash is so sure and ugly, will we be killing the teachers and the girls too?

Posted by Darrell 2006-11-29 18:07|| 2006-11-29 18:07|| Front Page Top

#15 important to remember that most victims of Islam are, in fact, muslim

I know a fair number of secular and progressive muslims who, I think, realize that their religion is the worst persecutor instrument in the world but they can't bring themselves to admit it.

Posted by mhw 2006-11-29 18:10|| 2006-11-29 18:10|| Front Page Top

#16 Clinging to a world view that will get me or mine killed isn't going to win any friends, certainly not me. It is a fact that people who don't want to be dragged into war are, indeed, dragged into war. If they choose to sit on their hands while there's an opportunity to choose: jihad or peace, then they cannot be held innocent - no answer is, indeed, an answer.

I said my piece on this notion here, in #33, but here's the tough part, the part that everyone must get through their heads - whether it feels good or not:
Lessons B Hard. History is replete with examples, it's hard to locate an exception in fact, of societies which were dragged into war by the most vocal and acrimonious among them - I think of them as the "activated" Muzzies. Shorthand it to Asshats for convenience and clarity. Those not overtly "activated" among them I think of as the "resource pool" for they are either complicit in their support or irrelevant in their silence. Even the most innocent among them, let's call them the LMOOIs (Leave Me Out Of It), will be going to war, sooner or later... dragged there by the majority who fill the other categories. It has always been thus, and always will be so. Tough shit - for all of us.

I do not look forward to explaining how this all went down to my grandchildren, but those who refuse to see where this is going - for whatever reason - are not merely foolish - they're goddamned dangerous.

If folks wanna get all freaked out and piss 'n moan, knock yourselves out. I've been around a long fucking time and I've been whacked by the best.

Meanwhile, slow down and think about what others are saying, the whole of it - not just the juicy bits that fire your boiler. There is an ugly time coming, like it or not, there will be a true clash of ideologies, like it or not, and it will be a bloody affair with innocents on both sides laid low. The people in the WTC are worth remembering here - true innocents. They will not be our last. I do not intend for our way of life to fall - whatever that takes.

Life is hard. It's a lot harder if you're stupid.

Posted by .com 2006-11-29 18:23|| 2006-11-29 18:23|| Front Page Top

#17 Tell 'em .com. This thing is just getting started, and it's gonna get waaaay nasty.

Prepare yourselves and your families.

Posted by Parabellum 2006-11-29 18:39|| 2006-11-29 18:39|| Front Page Top

#18 Bravo, .com - it is so frustrating to hear that one must not do anything if innocents are hurt. When you point out that innocents are always injured in war, the typical liberal reply is "you must enjoy killing innocents."

No sensible person wants to hurt innocents or even really wants war, but war is part of the human condition. Those who don't learn this leave the gene pool - like the majority of Western Europe is now.

Posted by SR-71 2006-11-29 19:11|| 2006-11-29 19:11|| Front Page Top

#19 There's one factor in this struggle which more than any other has made me suspect that this will end up in a titanic, knock-down-drag-out death match with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, dead: and that is the fanatical, unreasoning, ABSOLUTE solidarity Muslims display in any conflict with non-Muslims.

From the day the Towers fell, I've been afraid that the Muslims' fierce loyalty to one another, in utter disregard of any other considerations-- legal, ethical or moral-- would steer this conflict inexorably toward a war with all of Islam, and that nothing we could possibly do would change that even the tiniest bit.

Wish I could say that events have shown my fears to be unreasonable; but they haven't.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-29 19:25|| 2006-11-29 19:25|| Front Page Top

#20 Truth, Dave - Muzzy First is Rule One.

Hey, SR-71. :-)

Another key missing bit, IMHO, in many of these discussions is the fact that we aren't being asked if we'd like to go to war - they're rather insisting. The Magik Muzzy Mesh, the one that lets the "bad" Muzzies through, but filters out the "good" Muzzies, is a fiction - just as the notion of there being moderates we must be careful not to anger / alienate / harm.

[tiny rant]
They aren't careful, they don't give a shit about us or our way of life. They drag their shithole Sharia customs and traditions into our societies, abuse our welcome, use our institutions and civility against us, whine more than any cheesedick activist, poke us in the eye when they feel they have critical mass (Muzzy Imams on NW Airlines, for example) and kvetch when called on it, and shit on the living room carpet with a regularity that would send most dogs to the pound. Hell, I'm betting the un-activated get a secret thrill when their jihadists kill infidels. They prolly give a little extra to the "charity". Moderates. Right. The oldest, most paralyzing canard in the game.
[/tiny rant]

Posted by .com 2006-11-29 19:36|| 2006-11-29 19:36|| Front Page Top

#21 For perspective: lots of you already know that my mother is a German Jew of the Holocaust era, who spent the key portion of the War in hiding, separated from her parents. Unlike her parents, who were hidden in a fraternity house in Amsterdam, supported and supplied by the fraternity, my mother was given false papers and sent to live with a farming family on the other side of the country, where she lived openly. Because she was able to move around freely, Mama volunteered to run messages for the Dutch Underground. She was not just an innocent victim of a genocidally racist regime, but realized that --active or passive -- she, too, was involved in the war, either as a help or as a drag on those doing the actual fighting. Back at the fraternity house, my grandfather was forging documents to aid the Underground, making false identities for Jews to be hidden and adjusting ages and such for the Dutch so the lads wouldn't be picked up for work details. And, Grandfather Eduard was advising them on matters legal and otherwise, wherever he could see a way to make the Underground more effective.

In a war there are no innocent bystanders. There are those who help, and those who are a drag on the participants... and those that get run over.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-11-29 20:29|| 2006-11-29 20:29|| Front Page Top

#22 Excellent example, tw. :-)

Posted by .com 2006-11-29 20:40|| 2006-11-29 20:40|| Front Page Top

#23 Stories like this one make me oh so reassured that we'll be in good hands when the Dems take over in early January, '07.

Let's see, appeasement here, appeasement there, and the only time the Dems get in a lather over education is when their principal lobbying group, the NEA, comes a calling for more federal help.

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-11-29 20:56|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com] 2006-11-29 20:56|| Front Page Top

#24 I wonder if it's difficult for the good guys to procure firearms. I'll bet the baddies have a corner on the market. Also, I'll be any attempt to organize is found out through spies, so "uprisings" are probably short lived. AND, unless they get rid of ALL (as in each and every one) of the baddies all at once, there will be really sick retributions. Hell, they did this to a teacher who DARED to teach girls.

Islmofacists = DemonSpawn.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-11-29 20:58|| 2006-11-29 20:58|| Front Page Top

#25 DemonSpawn = Friends of IdiotDems.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-11-29 21:00|| 2006-11-29 21:00|| Front Page Top

#26 Islamofacists = IdiotDems = DemonSpawn.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-11-29 21:01|| 2006-11-29 21:01|| Front Page Top

#27 "Hell, they did this to a teacher who DARED to teach girls."
Exactly, ex-lib, it's not like these Afghans in harm's way have done nothing to defy the Taliban. That's why I hate to see RB'ers taking shots at them as though they're cowards. They are risking they're lives to defy the Taliban. The parents of those girls are taking risks too, just by sending the girls to the schools. If we can't be sympathetic to people defying the Taliban, what have we become?

Posted by Darrell 2006-11-29 21:14|| 2006-11-29 21:14|| Front Page Top

#28 Mohammed Halim (the teacher) is just as much an innocent as those who died in the WTC. I don't know what more you all expect of Afghans than being part-disembowelled and then torn apart for their anti-Taliban beliefs.

Posted by Darrell 2006-11-29 21:20|| 2006-11-29 21:20|| Front Page Top

#29 TW: My father was one of those Dutch lads. He went into hiding to avoid becoming a slave laborer in Germany.

Posted by fmr mil contractor 2006-11-29 21:42|| 2006-11-29 21:42|| Front Page Top

#30 Darrell, you are erecting a strawman again. #27.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-29 21:44|| 2006-11-29 21:44|| Front Page Top

#31 Darrell, are you even paying attention to anything being posted in this thread? Your argument about how:

They're called "non-combatants", Zenster. It's a survival mechanism. War has been alternately simmering or boiling there for decades. They survive because they don't get involved any more than they have to. They have enough to do just to stay in food, clothing, and shelter. It's no different that what millions of people did in WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam...

Why do you constantly try to punish innocent non-combatants?

... just got torn to shreds, yet you're in here ankle biting and yapping away. Do you notice anyone arguing against what I posted (besides your own shrill whingeing)? Over a handful of posts just tore you a new one free of charge. Please don't imagine that I can possibly feel your pain.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-29 22:03|| 2006-11-29 22:03|| Front Page Top

#32 These people live in a battle zone that the US and Afghan forces have not cleared and all you easy-chair warriors have to say is "shame on these non-combatants for not risking everything." Shame on you.

They'd better be ready to risk everything, or this is the future they're looking at. It's got nothing to do with heroism or cowardice, it's about self preservation.

Posted by tu3031 2006-11-29 22:04|| 2006-11-29 22:04|| Front Page Top

#33 Darell, why don't you be the traffic cop and tell us who to kill and who to let pass ?
You're trying to defend a position that is hopeless, and impossible. The moderate Islamist is tomorrow's Christian, tomorrow's suicide bomber, or dead. Let him decide.

Posted by wxjames 2006-11-29 22:05|| 2006-11-29 22:05|| Front Page Top

#34 Christian, suicide bomber, or dead?

Leave anything out, there, wxj?

Posted by .com 2006-11-29 22:11|| 2006-11-29 22:11|| Front Page Top

#35 When you point out that innocents are always injured in war, the typical liberal reply is "you must enjoy killing innocents."

Enjoyment has nothing to do with it. If this really is a response, I would think it says more about their own hedonistic outlook on life than anything else: "If you do X, it must be because you enjoy X."

Posted by eLarson 2006-11-29 22:18|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2006-11-29 22:18|| Front Page Top

#36 I'm glad your father got through ok, fmr mil contractor. It was an ugly and dangerous time, and there were plenty who actively sided with evil. The fraternity lads wore the short pants of schoolboys and had my grandfather's artwork in their pockets, but at the end it was touch and go for everyone. I never knew the details until Mama translated her mother's war memoir, which I helped edit. I've been grateful that I never had to know anything similar, and pray that the trailing daughters are similarly lucky. But I know that in war each person must make choices, and not choosing is to choose to be trampled by the active parties. Head-in-the-sand is not a real option.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-11-29 22:41|| 2006-11-29 22:41|| Front Page Top

#37 They'd better be ready to risk everything, or this is the future they're looking at. It's got nothing to do with heroism or cowardice, it's about self preservation.

Bingo, tu3031. As I've said before, this one is for all the marbles. Not even in our fight against the Nazis, nor in the Cold War against the communists did we face an enemy with potential access to Weapons of Mass Destruction who cherish the thought of killing everybody on earth, including themselves in pursuit of ~~paradise~~ that horridly illogical ideal.

We have entered a new era of politics. On more than one score, perhaps the Presidents Bush got it right. This is both a "new world order" and it may well be that, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

Rarely in its history has this world seen such utterly black and white polarity. The Nazis were progenitors of such vivid choice-making but even they, like the communists, wanted a conquered world that could be inherited from their warmongering.

This no longer applies and Islamic terrorism has dialed out the contrast control from any shades of gray to pure black and white. Worst of all, the pool of constituents comprising this bank of potential combatants now equals approximately one quarter of this world's population. Never before has the modern world been confronted with the need or (even more repugnant to many), the desire to obliterate such a massive chunk of humanity.

Even more crucial is how this psychopathic portion of mankind seeks to kill an even larger population than their own selves. This is not ethnic cleansing or any sort of petit mal spasm of human conflict. The survival of over one half of this world's population hangs in the balance when all is said and done.

Noncombatants in the War on Terrorism no longer have the luxury of holding off in their decision as to which horse they should bet on. As the immortal Popeye said:

"Yez pays yer money and yez takes yer chanskes."

Payment is now up front. Paying the piper will more often than not mean vigorously opposing the forces of Islam or losing one's life through reluctance or inaction. At present, England and France are going through this phase shift, as have America, Bali and Spain already, not to mention other locations where efforts were less successful. I will quote an old saying, and one of my favorites:

"TO LIVE IS TO TAKE SIDES."

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-29 22:47|| 2006-11-29 22:47|| Front Page Top

#38 not choosing is to choose to be trampled by the active parties. Head-in-the-sand is not a real option.

Bravo, trailing wife. Superbly well-spoken, as with all of your posts in this thread.

After consideration of all you have disclosed in the last week or two, your heritage gives you unique insight into the decision-making process being discussed in this thread. As always, you bring a modesty and understatement that can only serve to (temporarily) shame us more vociferous proponents, even as we all fight the same battle.

It gives me great pride to note how my own mother's Danish family transported and sheltered the Jews during WWII. Just as how, when the Nazis demanded that a Danish town deliver up all of their Jews, with the entire village's population showing up in line the next morning, so must we all take sides in this current conflict.

Indecision is not an option.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-29 22:57|| 2006-11-29 22:57|| Front Page Top

#39 With each new example of overt islamic barbarity we seem to have to repeat the same arguments, and still there are those that don't get it. Oh, so many that don't get it. It is because this barbarism is not told far and wide. It is because our media and our elites are so afraid of crossing the rubicon of political correctness that they cannot point their finger at this barbarism and howl at it's depravity. No, their self-loathing makes them unable to point the finger at anyone but themselves. They will only be deemed irrelevant when 100,000 of our citizens lie dead.

Posted by Remoteman 2006-11-29 23:30|| 2006-11-29 23:30|| Front Page Top

#40 It is because our media and our elites are so afraid of crossing the rubicon of political correctness that they cannot point their finger at this barbarism and howl at it's depravity.
EMPHASIS ADDED

Let that be carved in stone.

Spot on, Remoteman. You have nailed a huge portion of everything that is wrong with our government's current modus operandi.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-29 23:42|| 2006-11-29 23:42|| Front Page Top

#41 If they choose to sit on their hands while there's an opportunity to choose: jihad or peace, then they cannot be held innocent - no answer is, indeed, an answer.

Indeed, as with: (I refer you to)

After a while, silence is no longer mere consent. To remain silent is to LIE.

TO LIVE IS TO TAKE SIDES.

Indecision is not an option.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-29 23:48|| 2006-11-29 23:48|| Front Page Top

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