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2007-01-28 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-28 08:27|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The top U.S. surgeon in Iraq was among the 12 soldiers killed when a Black Hawk helicopter crashed near Baghdad, military officials said Thursday. Col. Brian D. Allgood, 46, was one of two active-duty soldiers killed in Saturday's crash in Diyala province northeast of Baghdad.

Some "medicine men" have the guts to serve and put it on the line for their country. Some don't. I salute COL Allgood and all the soldiers who died in that crash. May they rest in peace.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-01-28 08:50|| 2007-01-28 08:50|| Front Page Top

#2 give him a DD, make him repay any $ spent and get rid of him. You don't want someone like this in a volunteer military

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-28 08:52|| 2007-01-28 08:52|| Front Page Top

#3 This happens. Back in the 1980s, I knew a promising Dineh (Navajo) ROTC cadet who was really looking forward to being an army officer, until he attended the traditional wedding of a Marine friend on the reservation.

The old medicine man leading the ceremony pointed him out and said, loudly, that he was going to be a medicine man.

He said a comparison would be if he was a good Catholic boy in a Catholic country visited by the Pope, and the Pope said that he was going to make him a Cardinal, so "Somebody fly him to the Vatican next Thursday and I will make him one", in front of the television cameras.

A few phone calls later, his ROTC contract was over, and his future was set in concrete. On the plus side, he said, "At least I'm not going to have to learn Korean."

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-28 08:52|| 2007-01-28 08:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Uh huh.

Posted by Shipman 2007-01-28 09:05|| 2007-01-28 09:05|| Front Page Top

#5 Actually, this demonstrates the system does respect authenticate changes in 'religious' beliefs. Don't knock that, respect it and celebrate it. The system is pretty good at picking out those who are just cowards and unhonorable [as in recanting their oath]. And yes, there are objectors, who in a draft war, did do their time in a manner that awes all of us.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-01-28 09:28|| 2007-01-28 09:28|| Front Page Top

#6 DD and he can catch the Banning Stage out of town. Trembling hands screw up your aim anyway.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-28 11:53|| 2007-01-28 11:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Did he do any brig time after the UA episode?

Either way, my solution would've been an interservice transfer to the U.S. Navy where he could've worked as a RP (religious programs) or in other words - a chaplain's assistant. That way he could fulfill the rest of his military obligation w/out having to worry about killing anyone and the U.S. Taxpayer would get their $$$ out of him. I.E. - like he could deploy w/the 7th Marines from the Stumps and help run the religious programs or whatever for his fellow servicemen but wouldn't have to shoot at hajjis. If he refused that offer then I am quite sure I have pegged his type - the same I've seen a hundred times in my career.

I have no real problem w/any true objectors (quakers, amish, etc), but usually those people never join the mil in the first place except during the draft periods (though IIRC the amish were always draft exempt). Any time we entertain this it sets a precedent and I guarantee the junior officers and SNCO's will be inundated w/a bunch of new objector requests because of this kid. The proverbial good intention on the part of the Commandant will pave the way for much paper non-sense for me and my peers.

After dealing w/plenty of "pseudo" conscientious objectors at Parris Island I am very skeptical about any "personal spiritual revelations" while in boot camp - i.e. "new found Najavo tribal beliefs". Every cycle I would have at least two recruits claim they had an epiphany where Jesus or whoever appeared to them in their sleep and told them he didn't want them killing people etc. My typical response was that Jesus also came to me last night in my sleep and told me they would be pulling this shit in the morning.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-01-28 12:32|| 2007-01-28 12:32|| Front Page Top

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