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2007-05-13 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Sneaze 2007-05-13 05:28|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 The mythical moderate Muslim the Muslim who embraces traditional Islam but wants a peaceful coexistence with the West is effectively non-existent because to the extent he exists, he has no voice.
Therefore he exists only in his own head. On thwe street, he has no effect either pro-west or anti-jihad. I think what the writer is saying is that unless and until they take a stand, they do not even count.
Myself, I think a moderate muslim is a civilian as opposed to a radical muslim who is a soldier.
Civilians can become soldiers when the need arises. But they can always be informers, supporters, enablers, financiers, and beneficiaries.
An x-muslim is a good muslim, even then I'd not trust the bastard.

Posted by wxjames 2007-05-13 11:58|| 2007-05-13 11:58|| Front Page Top

#2 Just as I thought Muslim moderates do not exist They are indeed like unicorns--non-existent.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-05-13 12:36|| 2007-05-13 12:36|| Front Page Top

#3 I'll be generous: they might exist. But maybe they can't get to the phone right now.

Posted by Sonar 2007-05-13 15:52|| 2007-05-13 15:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Of course muslim moderates exist, assuming you mean muslims who believe that the Koran does not require violent jihad.

There are millions of Ahmiyadis, millions of Averis, millions of Ismaelis who believe the age of violent jihad has passed, millions of secular muslims who have a financial interest in non violence, and a few free lance post modernist type muslims who believe in a pick-and-choose Islam.

Of course this doesn't make the problem of Islamic terrorism any better; indeed it makes it worse because the Islamic apologist has the example of the other groups to point to in discussions with infidel lackeys.

Posted by mhw 2007-05-13 19:28|| 2007-05-13 19:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Of course there are Muslim moderates. But they'll be driven to extremism unless we bend over and spread for the extremists.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-05-13 20:39|| 2007-05-13 20:39|| Front Page Top

#6 If those millions of Ahmiyadis, Averis and Ismaelis all want to survive the coming purge, they'd damn well better start making themselves useful in the fight against jihadist Islam. Otherwise they'll just be more Islamic bathwater that finally gets thrown out with the jihadist baby. The only way that Muslims are going to survive is if they become radical reformists. If they cannot bring themselves to start stacking up dead jihadis like so much cordwood, their won't be too much sympathy for them. Anything less will not deflect the blame they deserve for helping to spread Islam's putresence.

To talk of moderating Islam is a blurring of this most important distinction. And, it is not a matter of semantics. Moderators will fail because there simply is no institutional or social base from which to operate. And, precisely because Islam (like Judaism) is a juridical religion based upon laws, legal decisions, precedent, legal schools of jurisprudence dating back hundreds of years, the effect of a policy to hunt out moderate Muslims to moderate this massive jurisprudence is beyond silly it is dangerous because it is a search based upon a false hope when time and effort is in short supply.

As a result, SANE [Society of Americans for National Existence] has staked out an approach which is to Know the Enemy by declaring the enemy historical, traditional, and authoritative Islam or Sharia and those men and women who support Sharia or Islamic law. We also actively support the Reformers and we ignore the call by mostly non-Muslims (and typically those of the so-called neo-con variety) who are in search of the moderate Muslim to reclaim his noble religion of peace from the extremists.

One more fine example of why Shari'a law must be flat out banned in all civilized countries. Advocacy of Shari'a law must become a punishable offense while being regarded as direct incitement of sedition and treason.

From comment #18, by the author:

I am not prepared to allow any Islamic Sharia based regime to have WMD. Period. If Musharraf goes and Pakistan goes Taliban, Pakistans nuclear arsenal must go. Iran should never be allowed this kind of destructive force. And, it has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. You are quite right on that score. Let Israel defend its own interests.

But even more importantly, and this you need to focus on, I simply dont accept the wanton sacrifice of American lives for the sake of some ideological purity. In that I am even more conservative than you. If I am going to err, it will be on the side of preserving American lives and American national security and existence. If we must war barbarically against Islam, so be it; they certainly have proven their bona fides in this affair.

David Yerushalmi gets it.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-13 20:56|| 2007-05-13 20:56|| Front Page Top

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