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2007-05-18 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

IDF vows to operate till Hamas surrenders

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Posted by phil_b 2007-05-18 00:21|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 MUBARAK [Egypt] > HAMAS WILL NEVER SIGN A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH ISRAEL.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-05-18 00:47|| 2007-05-18 00:47|| Front Page Top

#2 "We'll shoot till they say 'stop'!" a defense establishment source told Ynet on Thursday after IDF activity in the Gaza Strip was expanded.

"We plan to operate against those who are guilty, not around them; they will be the ones to pay the price. We are aware of their Qassam launching abilities, but the more they launch, the more they will get back," the source said.

Looks like Israel may have finally put down the crack pipe.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-18 00:50|| 2007-05-18 00:50|| Front Page Top

#3 Zen, I'll believe it when I see it.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-05-18 01:36|| 2007-05-18 01:36|| Front Page Top

#4 The strongest Israeli government language I have seen in a long time. I'll wait and see if their actions live up to it.

Posted by phil_b 2007-05-18 01:42|| 2007-05-18 01:42|| Front Page Top

#5 Did Olmert grow a pair or get sidelined? Guessing the later.

Posted by Iblis 2007-05-18 02:13|| 2007-05-18 02:13|| Front Page Top

#6 This situation calls for just the proportionate response that the Israelis have used so far. That will cause real pain for anyone launching these rockets without the political/military risks of an invasion. Also, it will not give the Palestinian factions any excuse to unite.

Posted by Knuckles Thromoling6063 2007-05-18 05:30|| 2007-05-18 05:30|| Front Page Top

#7 the IDF probably has gotten an indication that its agents in Gaza will be able to provide more precise intel than in the past

however, even with this intel, sooner or later there will be some significant civilian causalties or else Hamas will be able to fake some-- then the IDF must say, "well we mourn the innocent but the guilt belongs to Hamas..." and they must repeat and repeat this message.

Posted by mhw 2007-05-18 05:48|| 2007-05-18 05:48|| Front Page Top

#8 Turn off the water and power and leave it off.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-05-18 06:22|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2007-05-18 06:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Bibi Netanyahu is calling for the water to be turned off. link

Posted by trailing wife 2007-05-18 06:42|| 2007-05-18 06:42|| Front Page Top

#10 Let them eat sand.

Posted by Sneaze 2007-05-18 07:41|| 2007-05-18 07:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Looks like full employment for the IDF for a long time.

Posted by doc 2007-05-18 07:51|| 2007-05-18 07:51|| Front Page Top

#12 Bibi doesnt care if Fatah loses. He may want Fatah to lose.

The current govt of Israel, does not want Fatah to lose. A Hamas victory would be a disaster, from their POV. Maybe Egypt will go in, but as a wise man once said "Egypt is a weak reed".

Israel CANNOT afford to do things that cement support for Hamas in Gaza. Any Israeli raids that are not exquisitely precise, any cutting off of water, would do that. At this point they need to figure out if funding and arming Fatah massively is a worthwhile endeavour, or if the arms would only be captured.

Somehow, they need to get Dahlan, whos been sick at a Cairo hospital, back in action.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-05-18 09:31|| 2007-05-18 09:31|| Front Page Top

#13 I'll believe it when I see it. Israel, like so many western governments, may be tough in the beginning, but then weakens and caves. Popular support is a bitch, yo. Especially when the media is supporting the other side.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-05-18 09:37|| 2007-05-18 09:37|| Front Page Top

#14 Which is why the journalists will be the first against the wall if things go very badly. Once the jihadis nuke, say, Paris and Denver and Sydney their treason may be received very differently by whatever form of government the electorate chooses to address the problem.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-05-18 09:43|| 2007-05-18 09:43|| Front Page Top

#15 Idle threats (aka trash talk) make the situation worse. Olmert and Peretz need to STFU.

Posted by SR-71 2007-05-18 11:01|| 2007-05-18 11:01|| Front Page Top

#16 One problem with cutting off water, electricity, etc. is that the IDF currently depends on an extensive network of informants consisting of disgruntally Hamas troopers, Fatah-informed free lancers, a few genuine pro-freedom types, Israelis posing as Gazans, etc.

The blunt tactics Bibi is advocating tend to suppress the information obtainable from these sources for various reasons.

Posted by mhw 2007-05-18 13:02|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-05-18 13:02|| Front Page Top

#17 The only information Israel needs from Gaza is when the Paleo's are leaving. There will be no two state solution because Arabs can't be trusted to hold to their word.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-05-18 13:10|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2007-05-18 13:10|| Front Page Top

#18 I agree with SPOD.

Posted by 3dc 2007-05-18 13:33|| 2007-05-18 13:33|| Front Page Top

#19 There will be no ~~two state~~ peaceful solution because ~~Arabs~~ Muslims can't be trusted to hold to their word.

A few alterations puts the statement into a much larger perspective.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-18 13:53|| 2007-05-18 13:53|| Front Page Top

#20 1) CUT OFF ELECTRIcITY,not water.DON BE NASTY WITH THE POOR CIVILIANS THAT VOTED FOR HAMAS.
2) Lots of chaos in Gaza may mean that we can return that piece of "****" to their original owners: THE EGYPTIANS. They know how to deal with the Muslim Brotherhood baby's.......Let the egyptians deal with Gaza. Then while the Egyptians are busy in Gaza, Israel can return part of the West Bank to the Jordanians, who not only have a Palestinian Queen, but also will deal with Hamas et al in a similar fashion as King hUssein did.

Posted by Uleack Henbane2721 2007-05-18 14:17|| 2007-05-18 14:17|| Front Page Top

#21 INTERESTING:Jihad Al-Khazen: Arab Countries Must Cut Off Relations With Palestinian Gov't

The former editor of the London daily Al-Hayat, Jihad Al-Khazen, has reversed his recognition of the Palestinian unity government, of Fatah, and of Hamas, and has called on Arab countries to cut off relations with the Palestinian government.

In an article, he stated that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas should resign because of his weakness as a leader, and because of the smuggling into the Gaza Strip of weapons designated not against Israel but for civil war.

He said that the U.S. had pressured for elections in the PA knowing that Hamas would win, so that it would be able to boycott and besiege the Palestinians on the pretext that Hamas is a terror organization.

Source: Al-Hayat, London, May 18, 2007

Posted by Uleack Henbane2721 2007-05-18 14:21|| 2007-05-18 14:21|| Front Page Top

#22 That you, Joe?

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-18 14:22|| 2007-05-18 14:22|| Front Page Top

#23 May not be Joe but certainly A CAPLOCK BROTHER.

Posted by Shipman 2007-05-18 15:15|| 2007-05-18 15:15|| Front Page Top

#24 Which is why the journalists will be the first against the wall if things go very badly.

From your mouth to Gods ear. If/when, we lose a few cities here, I'm praying that the journo's along with a few other treasonous groups get butchered.

Posted by Natural Law 2007-05-18 21:22|| 2007-05-18 21:22|| Front Page Top

23:47 Stop the madness
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