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2007-07-31 Iraq

Maliki pushing us out of govt: Sunni Arabs

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Posted by Steve White 2007-07-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ] Top
File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1 Only an idiot would be surprised by this. Maliki's a Shiite and getting revenge on the Sunniseven at the cost of paralyzing the nation he is sworn to leadcomes first. This is why Maliki needs to get his ass capped along with Moqtada Sadr.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-31 02:41|| 2007-07-31 02:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Zenster, any alternative candidates?

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-31 05:56|| 2007-07-31 05:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Zenster, any alternative candidates?

Absolutely. Someone younger, not as well-connected and less contaminated by the politics-as-usual process. Much the same can be said for American politicians. Term limits have begun to winnow out the hardcore pols here. Bullets will most likely have to do the job abroad.

High context societies thrive upon the sort of influence and corruption that Nour al-Maliki trails in his wake. However drastic it might sound, we need to scrape away an entire tier of MME (Muslim Middle East) leadership that is incapable of transcending the usual internecine tribal bloodshed and usher in an era of more enlightened individuals who are willing to reach some sort of negotiated compromise.

I do not care if this requires ousting or eliminating every government officer and employee in the MME who is above age 45 and earning more than 50K$-100K$ per annum. The West is suffering endless terrorist attacks due to their mere existence and all our hopes for rehabilitating the MME are being thwarted by these same exact same ossified, hidebound and recalcitrant individuals. They are too happy to play the role of warlord and Somalia should have already taught us the worth of their sort.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-31 06:38|| 2007-07-31 06:38|| Front Page Top

#4 Zenster, let me tell you a secret.
Since there isn't actually an Iraqi Nation, there's nobody in Iraq who gives a f*ck about Iraq. More that that, there's nobody in Iraq capable of foresight & enlightened self-interest. Which means, nobody in Iraq whom USA can trust without a gun stuck to his head.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-31 07:14|| 2007-07-31 07:14|| Front Page Top

#5 I suspect much could be learned about our future course by talking to a man named Alowi.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-07-31 08:26|| 2007-07-31 08:26|| Front Page Top

#6 Maliki won't talk to them about security matters because he thinks the secretly support the Sunni insurgents. Remember the suicide bombing in the green zone? It was carried out by the bodyguard of a sunni politician.

Posted by Apostate 2007-07-31 08:57|| 2007-07-31 08:57|| Front Page Top

#7 Since there isn't actually an Iraqi Nation

Is there really a lot of NATIONS, outside of western countries (though some could argue that, say, Belgium is not or hardly a Nation), and a number of asian countries with long-standing national identities? Couldn't many, many african and arab "Nations" be instead termed artificial constructs out of tribes? I'm serious, I'm really asking that so a more-thoughtful/knowledgeable person will input his reflexion.
Western Nations are busily being deconstructed, top-down by transnational ideologies, and down-top from massive immigration from alien cultures, and the ideas of Nation and Identity are something I like to think about, not always with great results, to try and make sense of it all.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-07-31 11:51|| 2007-07-31 11:51|| Front Page Top

#8 there's nobody in Iraq capable of foresight & enlightened self-interest.

Then we should declare Iraq a failed state and make itlike the Philippines in the early 1900sinto a suzerain or protectorate. Install our own Western led government at gun point. Then pump out enough oil to compensate us for wasting our bloody time and use them as a forward operating base to crush political Islam.

Which means, nobody in Iraq whom USA can trust without a gun stuck to his head.

That can be just as accurately applied to all Muslim majority countries.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-31 14:08|| 2007-07-31 14:08|| Front Page Top

#9 Zenster, any alternative candidates?

It won't matter, in the long run, because any alternative candidate would still be Muslim as well as the populace he would be charged to lead. Muslims aren't capable of effective self-government--the proof lies in every shithole in which they hold power.

Posted by Crusader 2007-07-31 14:50|| 2007-07-31 14:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Actually, I think we would do well to recruit a Kurd to be PM of Iraq : the whole of Kurdistan is much better than anywhere else in Iraq. And several of the top politicians in Kurdistan have shown political maturity, even embracing old blood enemies for political advantage.

Besides, I think people are trying to push the Iraqis too far too quick. Think of Iraq like Chicago in the 1930s : the people don't begrudge a politician a little honest graft, as long as he get the job done. What they don't want is a corrupt politician - one who takes the money and then the streets don't get cleaned, the sewers don't get fixed, etc. As long as the politico is just bumping the contracts up to 103% of true cost and pocketing a chunk of that, the people will be happy as long as the items get built, the garbage is picked up, etc.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2007-07-31 17:19|| 2007-07-31 17:19|| Front Page Top

#11 we would do well to recruit a Kurd to be PM of Iraq

The one real virtue in that is how everybody else would be unhappy with such a solution. That certainly speaks very well for the idea in general.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-31 18:30|| 2007-07-31 18:30|| Front Page Top

#12 #7 In lieu of more-thoughtful/knowledgeable person, here's my 2 cents worth.
Nations are Nations, tribes are tribes---the differences are unmistakable. Sometimes Nations die. And sometimes tribes become Nations (the ancestors of current day west Europeans were tribesmen a 1000 years ago). Since the conquests of Muhammad's successors, Arabs had 1200 years to evolve Nations---they evolved bobkes.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-31 20:07|| 2007-07-31 20:07|| Front Page Top

#13 #7 In lieu of more-thoughtful/knowledgeable person, here's my 2 cents worth.
Nations are Nations, tribes are tribes---the differences are unmistakable. Sometimes Nations die. And sometimes tribes become Nations (the ancestors of current day west Europeans were tribesmen a 1000 years ago). Since the conquests of Muhammad's successors, Arabs had 1200 years to evolve Nations---they evolved bobkes.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-31 20:07|| 2007-07-31 20:07|| Front Page Top

#14 Sorry about double posting.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-31 20:08|| 2007-07-31 20:08|| Front Page Top

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