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2007-08-12 India-Pakistan

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Posted by john frum 2007-08-12 07:38|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ] Top

#1 What did we expect when we presented all of this information?

Posted by gromky 2007-08-12 08:00|| 2007-08-12 08:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Using a few of the F-16s to actually bomb the terror camps?

Wait... this is Pakistan...

Posted by john frum 2007-08-12 08:23|| 2007-08-12 08:23|| Front Page Top

#3 At least the ISI leakers had the courtesy not to leak it to The New York Times. They have more class than the CIA.

Posted by Bobby 2007-08-12 09:14|| 2007-08-12 09:14|| Front Page Top

#4 That the Talibunnies would relocate to the six bases we didn't mention? Concentrating targets....

Posted by Skunky Glins5285">Skunky Glins5285 2007-08-12 09:36|| http://john-smokegetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/]">[http://john-smokegetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/] 2007-08-12 09:36|| Front Page Top

#5 If this isnt the first time information given to Pakistan has been leaked to Taliban and al-Qaeda forces, we should assume that it was leaked intentionally. With that as an axiom, the question becomes "Why?"

First of all, we can assume that we want them to move, perhaps to less desirable locations, harder to defend and support. Second, considerable communications must be used for the move, giving us the opportunity for intercepts.

Third, it gives us the opportunity to find out who has been working for the enemy in the Pakistani army and ISI. Fourth, we might be able to get high altitude imagery of individuals and vehicles, to help identify leaders. Fifth, once they vacate an area, we can move in to discreetly collect their garbage, DNA samples, tire tread information, etc.

Sixth, if we suspected where they might move before they moved, we might have planted information gathering equipment there prior to their arrival.

Im sure intelligence gatherers and tacticians can come up with another half dozen reasons of how we can exploit such a move.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-08-12 09:57|| 2007-08-12 09:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Next time blow them to hell first, then share info.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-08-12 10:37|| 2007-08-12 10:37|| Front Page Top

#7 Thats like telling Saudi where Alqaeda bases are worldwide.The are not going to keep that secret are they????

ISI are running the Taliban show.Why tell their keepers info that will be passed on asap!!!

Posted by Paul 2007-08-12 11:24|| 2007-08-12 11:24|| Front Page Top

#8 I was thinking, why not "dust" the area with radioactive dust and then monitor where everyone goes to?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-08-12 11:40|| 2007-08-12 11:40|| Front Page Top

Posted by john frum 2007-08-12 12:17|| 2007-08-12 12:17|| Front Page Top

#10 Redneck Jim's on the money.

Oh where, oh where have Taliban gone?

Straight to Hell?

I hope your analysis is correct, 'moose. We've been deceived before by Pakistan enough times to make us fools thrice over. We better have had "canary traps", aerial reconnaisance drones and preplanted assets in place to monitor this evacuation and the traitors who leaked it.

If so, we could turn this into a spectacular ~~die-off~~ roundup of in-country Pakistan Taliban. Otherwise, this had damn well better be the last straw for all further cooperation with these vermin.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-12 12:56|| 2007-08-12 12:56|| Front Page Top

#11 Go read Bill Roggio discussion on this (more info there) and about the US military intelligence community is "urgently assessing how secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons would be in the event President Gen. Pervez Musharraf were replaced.

Posted by Sherry">Sherry 2007-08-12 13:28|| 2007-08-12 13:28|| Front Page Top

#12 Some things never change. I'm with Reckneck Jim. Blow them to hell and then share the information afterwards. If we knew where they were whey didn't we target them instead of having regrets later?

Posted by JohnQC 2007-08-12 13:39|| 2007-08-12 13:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Interesting article, Sherry. If, as mentioned, the emptying of these camps presages a major attack on CONUS (Continental United States), then this indicates that there is some degree of Pakistani government complicity with those who would perpetrate another atrocity on American soil.

Should such an undesirable event come to pass, we had best have some serious retaliation in store for Pakistan. Their military has proven to be ineffectual at best and collaborators at worst. It's long past tea for some dramatic house ~~burning~~ cleaning.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-12 13:53|| 2007-08-12 13:53|| Front Page Top

#14 I predict, and I have before that Pakistan will spin out of control soon, possibly over the election results, but whatever, after a spin or two, India will nuke them. That part of the world has already lifted it's last straw, and we now await the placement of that straw. It's a multi-fronted clusterfuck just waiting to happen.

Posted by wxjames 2007-08-12 20:35|| 2007-08-12 20:35|| Front Page Top

#15 I keep telling you folks, we need to treat Pakistan as if it is a hostile nation. Thats because their intelligence service *IS* operating the Taliban and other anti_US elements in the area, including funding and protecting madrassas run by hardline religious islamists, and protecting the Afghani tribal heroin trade (they dont ship it out of Russia or China, and Pakistan happens to have some very nice port facilities, you do the math).

Pakistan must be hammered.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-08-12 21:47|| 2007-08-12 21:47|| Front Page Top

#16 FYI, as far as this being a deliberate leak? No. The bright boys at state and the eastern elite at CIA probably thought it was a dandy idea to share this with the "ally" they have created. Mind you this is the same bunch of idiots that gave us the first disaster of 9/11, set up the whole Plame thing, and ignored DIA advice regarding the use of tribes in Iraq.

If the bad guys did get a nuke, they will get it going as soon as they can - they delay for any electoral effect, or any other action that would risk being caught before they can use it. Remember their first and foremost thing is to kill us and chase up out of the ME, and if they think they can do it by sapping our will, then they will do so as quickly as they can by destroying a US city.

Bush doesn't have the balls to clean out state and CIA, I wish we had a president that did. Because fo that and misguided loyalty, we are more likely to take a hard hit yet again. Now that I am a step back from things, I am disgusted with GW Bush on intelligence, and the border, and how gutlessly he deals with various agencies. They only saving aspect is that he has done better than Al Gore or Kerry, but thats really not setting the bar very high.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-08-12 21:56|| 2007-08-12 21:56|| Front Page Top

#17 With Soros and other scum as GWB's partners in the Carlye Group... what should we expect but the current state...

Posted by 3dc 2007-08-12 22:21|| 2007-08-12 22:21|| Front Page Top

#18 It's a multi-fronted clusterfuck just waiting to happen.

Pakistan must be hammered.

I smell concensus!

They only saving aspect is that he has done better than Al Gore or Kerry, but thats really not setting the bar very high.

Mebbe so, OS, but this silver spoon Eli pretty boy at least cleared the bar in his first jump, unlike the others you mentioned.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-12 23:50|| 2007-08-12 23:50|| Front Page Top

#19 PS: Yes, I will defend Bush forat leasthaving the ~~balls~~ ~~spine~~ ~~courage~~ ~~decency~~ ~~honor~~ patriotism to identify "The Axis of Evil". That one phrase alone served better than anything else to proceed in identifying the enemies of freedom.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-12 23:57|| 2007-08-12 23:57|| Front Page Top

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